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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by thebruce87m »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #67

It is understandable why Apple wants to keep its current grip on iOS indefinitely. What I don't understand is why some people defend it, on this very forum! One commenter simultaneously defended gay marriages - "if you don't like gay marriages, don't get married to gays" - and defended the Apple's monopoly - "I like that there is only one Appstore and developers won't force me to sideload".

I don’t want something shittier that I will invariably have to learn about to remove from my families phones. It suits me fine if it doesn’t exist at all.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by robertlagrant »

colonwqbang wrote: post #55
robertlagrant wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's thing is just a default, no? Consumers can change it?

Yes it is, so it isn't really comparable to what Apple is doing.

Apple is doing it. Google is paying Apple to set a default.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by robertlagrant »

threeseed wrote: post #66
robertlagrant wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's thing is just a default, no? Consumers can change it?

Except this has all played out before. Consumers do what they are told to do. If a website says install this app in order to use it they will. If an app says approve this permission to use this app they will. And so you will inevitably end up with websites that only support Chrome which will increase its market share up until the point it is an IE style monopoly. And aspects like the cost of testing apps/sites on mul…

Sorry - I don't see how this relates to Google paying Apple to be the default search engine.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by yreg »

LightHugger wrote: post #130
yreg wrote: post #73

My opinion won't be popular. I think it is nice to have a choice of a walled off platform. If I wanted a "more open" platform, I would get an Android phone. There are plenty of amazing Android phones. I choose the tradeoff of Apple's curation. Yes, I cannot run arbitrary software and sometimes it is a disadvantage. Yes, I don't agree with all of the App Store rules all of the time. Yes, I don't think the App Store re…

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Do you think I'm the only user here who bought an iPhone?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by sccxy »

crazygringo wrote: post #84
sccxy wrote: post #16

Current iOS browser situation is quite a joke. Recently they added possibility for other browsers to "Add page to Home Screen". But this shortcut later opens in Safari...

No it doesn't. I've added many shortcuts to websites from my home screen from within Chrome since this feature was recently added, and they all open in Chrome.

I just tested with MS Edge and it 100% opened in Safari.

And most frustrating is when you had Safari in private browsing mode, then shortcut (not pwa app) is also opened in private mode as new tab...

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by ghusto »

johnzim wrote: post #61
olliej wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, it will be so great when web developers can just force everyone to use chrome.

The inexplicable need to make the browser a second OS with worse everything boggles my mind. Especially on mobile devices which prize battery life. It won't give users choice because we as an industry have again and again just chosen what's easiest for us instead of best for the customer. We'd 100% still be using Flash if Apple hadn't refused to support it because of the battery and performance issues. This forum spe…

I'm more or less with you, except for ...

> We'd 100% still be using Flash

Oh no? I remember that whole thing, and being thoroughly confused. I was able to watch videos on websites on my Android phone that iPhone users couldn't, and it had no noticeable effect on my battery life.

I'm not saying we should all go to defend Flash, but I strongly suspect Apple killing Flash had a lot more to do with the fact that using Flash got around App Store policies (you could do _a lot_ using Flash), than battery life.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by twayhn893249 »

yreg wrote: post #73

My opinion won't be popular. I think it is nice to have a choice of a walled off platform. If I wanted a "more open" platform, I would get an Android phone. There are plenty of amazing Android phones. I choose the tradeoff of Apple's curation. Yes, I cannot run arbitrary software and sometimes it is a disadvantage. Yes, I don't agree with all of the App Store rules all of the time. Yes, I don't think the App Store re…

>I don't want to download apps from alternative app stores. I want them to be available in App Store and to be submitting to all of the curation rules.

Even if alternative app stores were allowed you'd more than likely never be forced to use them. Alternative stores are available on Android and yet the overwhelming majority of apps are still on the play store. The idea that Facebook, Amazon, Google or whoever would pull their apps and force you to use their store is complete FUD that ignores that the overwhelming majority of users wouldn't tolerate an app not being on Apples store.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by [deleted] »

ghusto wrote: post #128
yreg wrote: post #73

My opinion won't be popular. I think it is nice to have a choice of a walled off platform. If I wanted a "more open" platform, I would get an Android phone. There are plenty of amazing Android phones. I choose the tradeoff of Apple's curation. Yes, I cannot run arbitrary software and sometimes it is a disadvantage. Yes, I don't agree with all of the App Store rules all of the time. Yes, I don't think the App Store re…

It doesn't seem ridiculous to me, I get where you're coming from. Only I'd say you've been misled. As others have pointed out, you can have both a walled garden store and an Apple curated store — and this is how Android operates. More menacing though, are Apples reasons for not wanting competition. Put simply; if Safari wasn't the only allowed browser on iDevices (other browsers are just skins over what is essentiall…

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by taffer »

ghusto wrote: post #128
yreg wrote: post #73

My opinion won't be popular. I think it is nice to have a choice of a walled off platform. If I wanted a "more open" platform, I would get an Android phone. There are plenty of amazing Android phones. I choose the tradeoff of Apple's curation. Yes, I cannot run arbitrary software and sometimes it is a disadvantage. Yes, I don't agree with all of the App Store rules all of the time. Yes, I don't think the App Store re…

It doesn't seem ridiculous to me, I get where you're coming from. Only I'd say you've been misled. As others have pointed out, you can have both a walled garden store and an Apple curated store — and this is how Android operates. More menacing though, are Apples reasons for not wanting competition. Put simply; if Safari wasn't the only allowed browser on iDevices (other browsers are just skins over what is essentiall…

If there were other app stores besides Apple's for iDevices, Google would require you to download the Play Store to access Gmail, YouTube and Google Maps. Once there's an alternative major app store where Apple's strict privacy rules don't apply, why should companies with a more relaxed privacy stance stay on Apple's store? Your Bank, Facebook, Adobe, and Amazon will likely move to the store with the lowest standards.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by crazygringo »

sccxy wrote: post #145
crazygringo wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it doesn't. I've added many shortcuts to websites from my home screen from within Chrome since this feature was recently added, and they all open in Chrome.

I just tested with MS Edge and it 100% opened in Safari. And most frustrating is when you had Safari in private browsing mode, then shortcut (not pwa app) is also opened in private mode as new tab...

Maybe it's a bug in the Edge implementation then? Because it works fine in Chrome.
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