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I've been using the claude model over the past months and I have to say I usually prefer it over ChatGPT. Some things that impressed me particular are: * It can often give you working urls of images related to your query. (e.g. give me some images to use with this blog paragraph). * It can list relevant publications corresponding to paragraphs, chatgpt often halucinates new papers but claude consistenly gives highly…

You didn't say which version of GPT you prefer it over. My experience of Claude hasn't been good at all - I get obvious hallucinations all the time. Whereas I get pretty consistent accurate results with GPT-4. I just tried again now and asked it about HTMX and Django since I had just been reading an article about it. Claude invented a package called `htmx.django` and a decorator that could be imported called `@hx_req…

Claude is bad at code and great at everything else, I thought that was pretty common knowledge by now. I second OP where I prefer using it over OpenAI models these days

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And hopefully all of us plebs as well? I might be too optimistic about the future of AI.

Would love to see AI impact education. Help "left-behind" students catch up.

The purpose of AI is to replace any hope of employment those students had.

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Anthropic’s main mission is ethical. Profit is just fuel for the ethical mission (and they would rather have hockey stick AI safety than hockey stick growth given the choice) Amazon, well you know them :-) Flogging their model on Bedrock etc. must be part of the plan for Anthropic but AWS investment must surely create tension.

This sounds nice, and the information on https://www.anthropic.com/company seems to back up your claim, but do you know of anything on Anthropic's corporate governance level that will help ensure this mission is followed (forever)? The profit motive is _very_ resilient. Right now I will take it on face value that it's fuel for the ethical mission, but in the future that might change. It's far (far) more likely that t…

I share your concerns about the corrupting influence of money (and the importance of this space), but wanted to point out that Anthropic announced two relevant things last week regarding corporate governance:

First, that it has arranged to be controlled by a Long-Term Benefit Trust: "an independent body of five financially disinterested members with an authority to select and remove a portion of our Board that will grow over time (ultimately, a majority of our Board)". (https://www.anthropic.com/index/the-long-term-benefit-trust)

Second, that it also published and committed to a Responsible Scaling Policy: https://www.anthropic.com/index/anthropics-responsible-scali...

Disclaimer: I work at Anthropic

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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For those who don’t know, Anthropic has an interesting list of investors: - Eric Schmidt (former Google CEO/Chairman), Series A - Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX), lead investor in Series B - Caroline Ellison (FTX), Series B - Google, Series C https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/anthropic/company_fi... ——— Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include?

>Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include?

They also have a fiduciary duty to their other investors, and going all-in on Google cloud would be a pretty big risk (relative to other cloud providers) given the uncertainty about whether it'll still exist in 5-10 years.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Altman scared the fuck out of me a decade ago. And if I had told anyone five years ago that there would be eyeball scanners building a privately-held biometrics database at a level recently considered extreme for violent criminals? What letter anon would that have sounded like? I would have been like easy there mom, no one is doing that. Are we allowed to talk about Loopt and Greenpoint and OpenAI and Autodesk and Si…

Yes, you are. Now, what are you talking about?

The broader point is that I think a lot of successful tech figures get a pretty unfair rap on HN. Few if any of these folks are stirring candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize, but Bezos or Mark or Elon or even Gates being uniquely bad?

Altman, with the full weight and backing of YC in its prime and a clear first-mover advantage got bailed out of the Loopt debacle [1] in a deal with Green Dot that maybe scraped above the “fire sale” line and is trivially the most celebrated person in the program to not merit an “I made something people want” shirt. pg helped, Conway helped, they got it sort of cashed out in a way that didn’t exactly fuck anyone sideways (other than Green Dot). He proceeded to fail upwards through preferential access to pre-IPO AirBnB shares and shit, became the leader of YC, and is now busily turning the world into Blade Runner 2023.

Seibel was running Socialcam at a time when anyone working at or near FB knew it was a ranking glitch, pawned it off on Autodesk for 60MM [2] saying with a straight face it was the next YouTube, and promptly started inconsistently replying to emails titled “Where the fuck are you?”. Also ran YC.

Are these guys uniquely bad? Debatable, this is how the game is played apparently. But it would be nice to enjoy your ill-gotten gains without a relentlessly resourceful [3] PR campaign about how we’re dealing with some real humanitarian visionaries.

All I’m proposing is that if we trash Elon, then Altman doesn’t get a free ride.

n.b. A lot of that is me claiming things (that I heard from people in the room) that are merely alluded to in primary and secondary sources, so it’ll be up to you to judge if it has what they call “the ring of truth”.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopt

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialcam

[3] http://www.paulgraham.com/relres.html

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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And the battle heats up.

Interestingly, AWS (along with YC.org , Infosys, Musk, and others) was one of the founding donors for OpenAI, the non-profit. A few years and Satya Nadella successfully Mark Zuckerberged them.

> Mark Zuckerberged them

As in? MZ as a verb can be interpreted too many ways

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If this means alexa isn't a pet rock that can only reliably set timers, good for them.

I'm still waiting for the day Google Assistant can answer "what time does Home Depot open in the morning?" GA: "I found 3 locations, which one?" Me: "The closest one" GA: "I found 3 locations, which one?" ...

What was the point of feeding Google all my location history data if it can't even figure out which Wegmans I go to?

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Related from December (but unresolved there): Will Anthropic return the $580M in Series B funding led by SBF? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34111082 Related from June: FTX Halts Sale of Its $500 Million Stake in AI Startup Anthropic https://archive.ph/WR94S Seems like FTX owns that stake, not Bankman-Fried and Ellison? Nishad Singh was apparently involved too: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/y…

Why would an investment ever be "returned"? Because of its investment, FTX owns shares in Anthropic. In bankruptcy, those shares will be sold in some form to new investors in exchange for cash, at whatever the current value is. Just like any other asset. In theory, I suppose that new investor could be Anthropic itself doing a stock buyback, but that would be extremely unusual. Buybacks are for mature companies with e…

> Why would an investment ever be "returned"?

Because the money used for the investment was stolen.

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I’m no fan of the people you’re talking about myself. But once we start going down that road we run smack on into companies with like the sovereign wealth fund in Riyadh or (to my embarrassment) Thiel or any number of people who make SBF look like the clueless, entitled, amoral but ultimately strictly small-change knucklehead he is. There are some truly scary people invested in important companies. Do we hold all the…

Yeah, we should totally put our trust in founders who would gladly accept money from immoral sources. We need to understand that society only values who moves first. The early bird gets the worm. If they want to play the game, they need to raise funds from people who truly understand power and money, regardless of the human cost. /s

>Yeah, we should totally put our trust in founders who would gladly accept money from immoral sources.

You shouldn't put your trust in founders period. Or companies. Or famous people. Or anyone that you don't actually know. They're people or run by people with goals that greatly differ from your personal goals.

What you're asking is that they put on a veneer of morality and then once you're really convinced they're on your side they'll stab you in the back. Like with the old poster child Google.

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For those who don’t know, Anthropic has an interesting list of investors: - Eric Schmidt (former Google CEO/Chairman), Series A - Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX), lead investor in Series B - Caroline Ellison (FTX), Series B - Google, Series C https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/anthropic/company_fi... ——— Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include?

>Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include? They also have a fiduciary duty to their other investors, and going all-in on Google cloud would be a pretty big risk (relative to other cloud providers) given the uncertainty about whether it'll still exist in 5-10 years.

What do the betting markets think about the continued existence of Google Cloud?

https://manifold.markets/OliverMattos/will-google-announce-t...

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