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An open letter to our community

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Post by drpossum »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #67
dpkonofa wrote: post #23

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This is it, in a nutshell. People don't want the apology. They want to know that a decision like this doesn't have a chance of happening because the people in charge know it's a bad idea before it leaves the door. No one wants to be stuck in a cycle of getting fucked and then boycotting to get what they want, especially for something that their livelihood depends on. They want a product made by people they trust who…

It's amazing to me how very smart people in corporations can convince themselves (and I mean, like really believe it) that the shit sandwich they are serving up is actually filet mignon. It's the whole "it's very hard for someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on not understanding it" issue. I've seen it a few times in person, where I'm like "How the f are we convincing ourselves of this?" 2 reco…

Maybe, judging by their actions, they're not actually that smart.

Re: An open letter to our community

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Post by djbusby »

drpossum wrote: post #50
intelVISA wrote: post #36

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Developers aren't the ones choosing Unity most of the time...

If you're working in a development environment where management is drawing hard lines at choosing your tooling you should find a place that's going to succeed.

Sometimes the tooling is in place before you arrive.

Re: An open letter to our community

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Post by hnarn »

gmjosack wrote: post #7

This is basically everything policy wise they needed to do to quell the storm. This is honestly what should have just been announced originally. So much reputational damage just to arrive at a reasonable model weeks later. I'm happy for all the Unity developers out there that are breathing a sigh of relief. Hopefully they can ship their ongoing projects but I'd be hesitant about a continued long term relationship wit…

> I'm happy for all the Unity developers out there that are breathing a sigh of relief.

That’s not really how trust works. If I was a Unity developer, I’d still be migrating, just not in total panic mode.

Re: An open letter to our community

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Post by tombert »

DonHopkins wrote: post #136
tombert wrote: post #125

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It wouldn't bother me so much if not for the fact that they get lauded as geniuses for every innovation coming out of their companies. I've seen dozens of people on LinkedIn claiming that Elon Musk invented self-landing rockets, and they get mad at me when respond with "no he fucking didn't! He hired people to figure that stuff out". So I think "Fine, I guess you could make some kind of transitive argument that he hi…

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At least on LinkedIn, people tend to hide their antisemitism and just wishwash it away as some nebulous, never-properly-defined thing like "bots" or "legacy cruft".

I never used Twitter much, and I haven't used it at all in more than a year, so I'm somewhat out of the loop on what people do on that site, admittedly.

Re: An open letter to our community

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Post by wolrah »

rhtgrg wrote: post #99
tombert wrote: post #93

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I have no skin in this game, but I read this article: https://gameworldobserver.com/2023/09/14/unity-license-terms... ETA: You updated your post with the TOS, but from what I read the concern was that the new TOS said it applied to any new distribution of the Unity Runtime, without specifying versions and the like.

I have never seen a Unity TOS that specified versions as seen in the screenshot of the link you shared. Where did they get that screenshot from? They need to share their source. For all we know this is a change from 2020 (latest version referred to in their screenshot). In which case I think you will agree that is plenty of notice and most likely unrelated to be maliciously related to what's being announced now. They…

> I have never seen a Unity TOS that specified versions as seen in the screenshot of the link you shared.

You mean this screenshot, right? https://gameworldobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/uni...

Right here: https://unity.com/legal/terms-of-service/software-legacy

Scroll down about 80% of the page to section 8.

Re: An open letter to our community

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Post by JohnMakin »

raincole wrote: post #107
JohnMakin wrote: post #17

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> - Doesn't apply to old versions It's not beyond the realm of reasonable belief to assume they can or will roll out some breaking change eventually that forces upgrades.

The old version of Unity can be used offline. Truly offline. How are they going to force you to upgrade? Hakc into your PC?

this is a pretty naive comment.

Re: An open letter to our community

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Post by usea »

sounds wrote: post #68
the_snooze wrote: post #57

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Exactly. If your project or organization is dependent on some external product or platform, that thing had better be boring and predictable . Busy people don't have the time or the patience to be jerked around by external surprises. Walk-back or not, Unity is demonstrably not boring and predictable anymore. That's done.

Oh they didn't walk it back. It's now one of two ways for them to get a percent of your revenue - that did change. (It also was only going to kick in once your revenue hit a certain point.) The CEO John R. didn't chime in here, and that would have meant him being accountable for this decision and its effect on Unity. His mask slipped here.

If you're working on strategy at Unity in good faith right now, I think you announce like they did rather than having the CEO take accountability. Because I think the CEO apology strategy depends on the CEO's ability to convince people he's sincere and contrite. That's a tall order under these circumstances.
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