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Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

rapind wrote: post #109
newsclues wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do your views on smoking cannabis apply to alcohol as well? Or do you adapt a more reasonable appropriate time and place for that type of drug? I not sure if it hurts peoples ability to learn, even if some people have some memory impairment. But cannabis and other drugs change the way people think, and that can be good or bad depending on many factors. Have people created great creative works under the influence of c…

> eat an edible to go to sleep. I could care less if people get high, but as a general principle I will never consume a drug to help me sleep unless there’s a really good (doctor consulted) reason. I think we’re just setting ourselves up for an unhealthy dependence when we do that. (besides weed always had the opposite effect on me)

I wake up at least 4 times a night and get horrible sleep unless I eat an edible before bed. Just 5mg THC helps me sleep through the night. I just started regularly consuming marijuana this past year and it's been great as a sleep aid. I've tried a couple of prescription drugs and they make me feel awful.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by batch12 »

bumby wrote: post #114
jamiek88 wrote: post #107

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If you also abstain from alcohol for the same reason then I applaud you. Alcohol has NO safe level of consumption. Unlike cannabis. If you say this while consuming other drugs that are harsher and less safe then you should do some self reflection on your prejudices.

Are you implying there are levels of cannabis use that are zero risk?

Prescription drugs carry a risk. Even water use has a risk. Everything has a risk. Should someone be stoned when performing serious tasks like driving, taking care of other humans, or working? No. Can cannabis be consumed safely when not taking care of these responsibilities? Probably.

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Post by nyolfen »

newsclues wrote: post #95
user3939382 wrote: post #74

Just my personal take, wouldn’t seek to push others to adopt it. Smoking weed hurts your ability to think and learn. If you have responsibilities to children or shareholders etc you shouldn’t be doing it. If you don’t and it doesn’t hurt others who are relying on you have at it, but still sparingly as not to be abusing your body and mind.

Do your views on smoking cannabis apply to alcohol as well? Or do you adapt a more reasonable appropriate time and place for that type of drug? I not sure if it hurts peoples ability to learn, even if some people have some memory impairment. But cannabis and other drugs change the way people think, and that can be good or bad depending on many factors. Have people created great creative works under the influence of c…

this discourse is like people reading an invisible script every time i've seen it online for the last 20 years -- "weed causes ", followed by a chorus of, "oh yeah well what about alcohol!?!"

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by batch12 »

bumby wrote: post #135
vhcr wrote: post #130

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GP is not implying anything, they're saying there is a safe level of consumption.

I’m asking if their definition of safe means zero risk. Because that’s the same rationale that the WHO uses to claim alcohol has no safe level of consumption (I.e., there is no level of alcohol consumption that is zero risk). So either they think there is a level of cannabis use that is zero risk, or they have a different definition of safe consumption that they could elaborate on.

Yes, if we're dealing in absolutes, I'm sure there is a level of cannabis consumption that is zero risk for some people. Check out CBD.

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Post by slenk »

bumby wrote: post #135
vhcr wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP is not implying anything, they're saying there is a safe level of consumption.

I’m asking if their definition of safe means zero risk. Because that’s the same rationale that the WHO uses to claim alcohol has no safe level of consumption (I.e., there is no level of alcohol consumption that is zero risk). So either they think there is a level of cannabis use that is zero risk, or they have a different definition of safe consumption that they could elaborate on.

Any amount of alcohol increases your risk of cancer: https://www.cancervic.org.au/cancer-information/preventing-c...

I don't think the same can be said for cannabis use

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by skjksjgskjb »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #128
smt88 wrote: post #115

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> why certain substances were banned in the first place You obviously have no idea why cannabis was banned in the US. It wasn't banned because of harm to individuals or to society. It certainly can do those things, but there was no scientific basis for the original ban. It was banned because of a massive propaganda campaign by Harry Anslinger, who fabricated evidence that cannabis was a drug of immigrants, non-White…

This is like the people who say that auto company lobbying is the cause of poor public transportation in America. Sure, that is a cause, but there are many other causes as well, and the other causes likely dominate the named cause. Framing it as the cause seems implausible and even cartoonish to me.

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Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by gaganyaan »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #128
smt88 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why certain substances were banned in the first place You obviously have no idea why cannabis was banned in the US. It wasn't banned because of harm to individuals or to society. It certainly can do those things, but there was no scientific basis for the original ban. It was banned because of a massive propaganda campaign by Harry Anslinger, who fabricated evidence that cannabis was a drug of immigrants, non-White…

This is like the people who say that auto company lobbying is the cause of poor public transportation in America. Sure, that is a cause, but there are many other causes as well, and the other causes likely dominate the named cause. Framing it as the cause seems implausible and even cartoonish to me.

This is the sort of unhelpful response that says "this nit I've picked invalidates your entire point".

Why do you think other causes outweigh the well-documented efforts of Harry Anslinger?

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Post by nemo »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #128
smt88 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why certain substances were banned in the first place You obviously have no idea why cannabis was banned in the US. It wasn't banned because of harm to individuals or to society. It certainly can do those things, but there was no scientific basis for the original ban. It was banned because of a massive propaganda campaign by Harry Anslinger, who fabricated evidence that cannabis was a drug of immigrants, non-White…

This is like the people who say that auto company lobbying is the cause of poor public transportation in America. Sure, that is a cause, but there are many other causes as well, and the other causes likely dominate the named cause. Framing it as the cause seems implausible and even cartoonish to me.

If you read the actual words and statements of the historic people fighting the actual drug war, they seem implausible and even cartoonish, and they absolutely drip with racism. While the reality was partly incredibly racist malicious actors deliberately ramping up the drug war, it was also an incredibly malicious right-wing culture war - imprisoning peace activists was a stated goal of the architects of the drug war. Nixon specifically supported it because it would imprison black folks and hippies.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by manicennui »

01100011 wrote: post #22

Obviously people with mental discomfort are more likely to seek comfort in mind altering substances. That said, as someone who is bipolar, has bipolar friends and has used cannabis for a significant portion of my half-century on Earth, cannabis usage is proportional to mood instability in myself and my friends. I have taken extensive breaks and noticed I am much more mentally resilient and less emotionally labile whe…

I learned a new word: labile.

"Apt or likely to change."

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by pfannkuchen »

There is some discussion around cannabis bans and their causes in their thread. One aspect that isn’t discussed much but could be very relevant to differing opinions here is that different people respond incredibly differently to marijuana.

Some people experience various, mostly mild, forms of cognitive impairment such as sleepiness, thinking everything is funny, and memory issues. Other people seem to enter a state of heightened idea generation, like more of their brain is working on ideation than usual, and perhaps the sort of thing a priest class would find useful (thinking back to when this plant would have been domesticated). I’m sure there are many other types of reaction as well.

If someone experiences priest mode or is around those that do, they will be more positive towards it than others who only see impairment mode. It is much less homogenous in its effect on people than alcohol is.

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