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Re: 9/11 in Realtime

#141

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> The US was so complacent in their idea that nobody would ever attack them I don't think that's true. There was an attempt to bring down the WTC in 1993 after all! Authorities were taken by surprise by the method of attack. Hardly surprising since it hadn't been done before. Up until that point a hijacked flight almost always meant a ransom attempt, so you didn't shoot the plane down, you got them to land and began…

None of that is even what I'm talking about. The people watching it, in real time, commenting on it, didn't even speculate that it could be an attack. Even after the second plane. That's complacency.

https://youtu.be/2ZwwCNoPa1w

Possible terrorist attack was mentioned by on air reporting before the second plane hit.

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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post #75

I was a kid living in the Bronx that day. I remember parents picking their kids up for no explained reason, the fucking TV cart showing the news, and going outside and seeing the smoke plume and the air smelling like burnt shit. Several kids in my class had parents who died on 9/11

The TV cart… That’s probably the memory for many (most?) grade schoolers, isn’t it? Was in a gifted and talented class that morning, we had the budget for a dedicated TV in the corner that stayed on all day with a global map showing the time and the position of sunlight moving over the globe. The administrators had a master controller that switched all the TVs in all the classrooms over to the news at the same time.…

>With hindsight I wonder why Afghanistan just didn’t get talked about in the same seriousness as the invasion of Iraq.

If you weren't for war you were violently shouted down as unamerican and undemocratic and unpatriotic. It's a simple as that. This applied to US senators just as much as it applied to average americans. "Our country is under attack and we are at war" was the hammer used to suppress any argument, especially the one talking about how Bush clearly wanted a war even before the attack.

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US was so complacent in their idea that nobody would ever attack them I don't think that's true. There was an attempt to bring down the WTC in 1993 after all! Authorities were taken by surprise by the method of attack. Hardly surprising since it hadn't been done before. Up until that point a hijacked flight almost always meant a ransom attempt, so you didn't shoot the plane down, you got them to land and began…

None of that is even what I'm talking about. The people watching it, in real time, commenting on it, didn't even speculate that it could be an attack. Even after the second plane. That's complacency.

It's not complacency, it's professionalism, and there are several counterexamples to your claim on the linked page.

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

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post #63

Once upon a time on September 11, 2001, a dedicated journalist named NJ Burkett found himself at the heart of one of the most tragic events in modern history—the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City. NJ Burkett, a seasoned reporter for ABC7 New York, was known for his expertise and compassion in delivering news to the public. On that fateful morning, he, along with his talented photographer, M…

Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCPVNLLo-mI

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

#145
post #44

Here is a compilation of recordings of the moment the second tower was hit - by which time both news cameras and amateur cameras were focused on the towers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YLm3pkAiJQ So much of the world as we know it now can be traced back to this day, and perhaps this moment above any others - the moment we gained an innate knowledge that something sinister was going on, a deep feeling of fear, an…

There's a newer version from the same channel with 50 different views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hApRZ_7v2A

So shocking and heartbreaking...

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

#146
Adding my memories:

My little brother woke me up that morning. Said that the Twin Towers were falling down. It was just the start of my sophomore year in high school in the SF Bay area. My first real indication that everything was going bad was that the T.V was on. Mom never allowed it on in the mornings before school.

I managed to get out of bed and get downstairs in my underwear and was just able to see the second plane hit. Mom's face went grey. Dad was in the kitchen. Mom said the magic word that told everyone in the family that things were officially bad:

"Oh ... fuck"

Mom never cursed. I remember looking at my siblings, we were more in shock that Mom even knew curse words. Then we all got pulled into the kitchen too.

It didn't help that Grandpa was dying in Tuscon. Lots of strokes from years of smoking. Mom and my aunt were planning on going that day to Arizona, but, very obviously, we knew that wasn't going to be by plane now. There were a lot of calls back and forth on the landline in trying to figure out how they were going to get down there.

The T.V. was reporting all kinds of crazy stuff too. The pentagon, something in Pennsylvania. We just watched and tried to eat breakfast.

Mom and Dad, bless them, had no idea what to do either. So they managed to get all the cash and valuables in the house and split it up five ways, a portion for each of us. It was a lot of money and jewellery. I remember getting a solid silver elephant, about three inches across, that Dad had gotten for Mom some year. I never did bring myself to actually counting it. Dad shoved all the cash into our backpacks. We figured that going to school wouldn't be a bad idea. My High school and my sibling's schools were all around the same place, right next to the police station.

Dad brought me into the garage, gave me his 1911 and a spare loaded magazine. It was so heavy and cold. He showed me how to turn the safety off. How to press the magazine release. How to slide it back to cock it and pull the bullet out. I remember thinking that those bullets were really big. Told me:

"You're a man now. Whatever happens, you are responsible for your siblings. Don't use this unless you have no other choice."

We put it in the bottom of my backpack with all the cash. I remember thinking that I was a real gangster now.

We all agreed that we'd meet up in Tuscon at my Uncle's place in exactly one year if everything went to hell. I had no idea what the address was, but I said I'd get my siblings there no matter what. We said goodbye to Mom. She went and pick up my aunt and and they drove to Tuscon. Managed to see Grandpa just before he died that day. They must have driven crazy fast to have made it in time.

School was a blur. Mostly just watching the TVs on carts or up in the corner of the room. Some teachers tried teaching, that was pointless, we all knew it. But we had no better ideas either.

Dad picked us up from school that day. Another strange event, it was always Mom that picked us up. He said we were going to have apple pie and hot dogs for dinner, because that was more American. We only had hot dogs because Dad can't bake. I don't remember giving Dad back the pistol, but must have.

Went to scouts that night with the whole family. A lot of people brought the whole family to scouts that night. I remember one of the kid's Dads talking about his friends in NYC. He started to well up, but fought it back. We all knew it was because he thought that us kiddos couldn't be seeing him cry too, needed to stay tough in the chaos. It was alright though, we all understood. Later on, one of his sons, a few years younger than me, joined the Marines. He died in Iraq. They said his head exploded like a Gallagher watermelon when the sniper's bullet hit. Another kid in the troop, about the same age, 'cleaned his gun wrong' on Paris Island because he couldn't handle the Marines. Lost a few people in my graduating class too. My best friend's cousin died in Afghanistan. The family have always blamed Bush for that.

I remember Grandpa's funeral. He was a colonel or somesuch in the Air Force. So we got to have the funeral on the Air Base there in Arizona really soon afterwards. I remember all the guns pointed at our heads as we drove on to the base. Having to weave through all the barricades. He manged to get a spot in Arlington, one of my uncles pulled some strings and got Grandpa a place. I didn't go to the internment, but there was a 14 gun salute, my Mom said. A real honor, I'm told.

One of my older cousins on my Mom's side decided to up and drive to Ground Zero to help out. He was helping dig through the debris for a while. He never talked about going out there and helping though.

My Uncle, the one that pulled the strings for Grandpa's internment, was near the Pentagon that day, had to walk through the smoke to get back home. He said it was really bad smelling because they used horse hair for insulation in the Pentagon.

I always put up the flag on 9/11, for Grandpa and for everyone else and for all my friends that died because of what it kicked off. It's not much, but it's something.

I don't know how to end this. I just wanted to share some of what happened to me that day and in the time afterwards. Thanks for reading.

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

#147
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call me crazy, but if our entire machinery of government can't function well enough to control itself internally to preserve human rights better than Mike Tyson, maybe we should toss the whole thing out and start over.

The purpose of a government has not historically been to preserve human rights

We literally wrote a document explaining what the government is not allowed to do, for that reason. Yet they still do those things anyways. Not enough people care, either.

Re: 9/11 in Realtime

#148
post #8

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I don't have the time to dig around for examples but reading IRC logs (which I mention in another comment) is really ... interesting. I haven't read them in years but I remember the vitriol toward Muslims being absolutely astonishing. But it was ye olde 2000s..

It never went away. The religious right in the US and others discovered a wellspring of motivational energy (for their regular causes) that they could get out of people by pointing fingers at Islam, and they have never really let it go. It comes and go in waves, but it's pretty crazy what an appeal to an old bogeyman can get you; at the time, George Bush talking about a "clash of civilizations" and appealing to old C…

Many speculate that groups need a common enemy to maintain their identity. Obviously, communism and terrorism are recent examples. But what are our common enemies now? The New Atheists decried religion for years but frankly, I think the religious right is dead. Many consider new atheism movement to be dead as well. So we currently only have the other party to blame.
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