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LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Re: LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by donkeybeer »

kaba0 wrote: post #130
donkeybeer wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember how the new CEO upon joining fired 250 employees and simultaneously upped her own pay to 2.5 million? (Its much more now)

And it is nothing remarkable compared to any other tech company CEO's salary. Sure, shitty thing to do, but to smear Firefox's name over it..

I am saying the IT workers receiving low pay or being outright fired while non-tech gets paid more has precedent under the current CEO. Besides its not Firefox thats being smeared, its the CEO who is, and should be smeared for acts such as this. Firefox the software is still mostly fine.

Re: LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by kaba0 »

542458 wrote: post #52
Phelinofist wrote: post #45

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> There are many valid counterpoints on why you shouldn't trust/use this Such as?

Binaries are unsigned, third party update service, Google safe browsing disabled unless you build from source, running unusual browser setups can actually make you more distinctive online, unencrypted DNS by default, speed of security patches is slower than base Firefox, etc.

Also, the expertise of its author is quite questionable. Browsers are insanely complex beasts, I think Mozilla does know their thing and necessary configs much better.

Re: LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by b59831 »

kaba0 wrote: post #134
Firmwarrior wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox doesn't get to wear the white hat if they're doing a bunch of shady stuff and saying it's for my own good. By your logic, realistically, Google invading my privacy isn't a particularly big deal since they know the value of the data they're harvesting and will guard it. And third party data brokers are actually just making my web experience more tailored and relevant, so I should let them have their way with m…

Ridiculous comment

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Re: LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by torstenvl »

dralley wrote: post #109
danjoredd wrote: post #107

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I disagree that its FUD. The fact of the matter is that Google is their biggest financial contributor, and that means by proxy Google can influence them. I don't have any examples right off the bat, but that doesn't discount the fact that it's a clear conflict of interest.

>The fact of the matter is that Google is their biggest financial contributor, and that means by proxy Google can influence them. I don't have any examples right off the bat, Exhibit A. Fine, it's a potential conflict of interest. But there's still a step between having a potential conflict of interest and being compromised by Google / influenced by proxy. You don't get to jump from point A to point B. That's FUD. Th…

> Simultaneously: "how dare they work on something other than Firefox even if it makes money" and "how dare they monetize Firefox" and "how dare they take so much money from Google"

Yes. Perhaps you've heard of the concept of a non-profit? Specifically a foundation, organized and operated exclusively for charitable purposes?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/501, subsection (c)(3).

Re: LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by kaba0 »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #68

It's fascinating that there are quite a number of forks from Firefox aiming for more privacy, security and old codebases, but none for improving the browser itself, making it more interesting for power users. Considering all that was lost in the quantum-phase, I would think someone would fork it just for improving some small things like better vim-style support or a second sidebar.

A browser is easily larger than a whole OS. Like, even Microsoft gave up on their own engine. That's why we should be so thankful for Firefox.

Re: LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by cuddlyogre »

kaba0 wrote: post #139
cuddlyogre wrote: post #106

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A replaceable battery is a better solution.

They are replaceable. In a service for a low fee after 6 years of usage.

Paying apple hundreds of dollars to do something the owner of the phone should be able to do while waiting in line at the store is not an acceptable alterative.

Re: LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by johnnyanmac »

danjoredd wrote: post #107
dralley wrote: post #94

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>but very little of the money given to them goes to the browser itself or even their research projects They can't take money given to a 501c3 charitable organization and use it to fund the expenses of a for-profit corporation (Mozilla Corp). That would be tax fraud. On the other hand the Mozilla Corp has to exist because otherwise it would be legally challenging to do a lot of things they need to do such as business…

I disagree that its FUD. The fact of the matter is that Google is their biggest financial contributor, and that means by proxy Google can influence them. I don't have any examples right off the bat, but that doesn't discount the fact that it's a clear conflict of interest.

okay, and Librewolf is a fork of Firefox. even if I was worried, I'm not exactly reassured that Librewolf would be peachy if Mozilla got hit hard by something.

I'd rather Google does pull that trigger so we can get some anti-trust going. They've been overdue for years on that front.

Re: LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by Firmwarrior »

kaba0 wrote: post #134
Firmwarrior wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox doesn't get to wear the white hat if they're doing a bunch of shady stuff and saying it's for my own good. By your logic, realistically, Google invading my privacy isn't a particularly big deal since they know the value of the data they're harvesting and will guard it. And third party data brokers are actually just making my web experience more tailored and relevant, so I should let them have their way with m…

Ridiculous comment

Everything I said is 100% true. There are a lot of people on this very site working in adtech who don't feel like they're doing anything wrong at all and use the exact same logic that people use to justify "telemetry". In their mind, they're making a better product and a wealthier, more productive world in the process.

You have literally no logical or moral delimiter between how Firefox spies on me to improve Firefox and how Windows does it or how ad companies do it. I'm sure you'll move the goalpost now and strain yourself to come up with something ex post facto, let's hear it.

Re: LibreWolf – Custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Post by Firmwarrior »

NegativeK wrote: post #115
Firmwarrior wrote: post #58

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Firefox doesn't get to wear the white hat if they're doing a bunch of shady stuff and saying it's for my own good. By your logic, realistically, Google invading my privacy isn't a particularly big deal since they know the value of the data they're harvesting and will guard it. And third party data brokers are actually just making my web experience more tailored and relevant, so I should let them have their way with m…

There's an obvious difference between diagnostic data and data that's used to push ads to me. People might still object to diagnostic data and Firefox's handling of it, but it's disingenuous to state that they're the same.

What is that obvious difference? It isn't obvious to me.

They're both companies spying on people to improve their own products, ostensibly to the customers' benefit.

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