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Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Post by forgetfreeman »

nlh wrote: post #42

US perspective (eg theft of bikes / crime is not AS serious a problem as Brazil, although it can be bad): I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand, I fully empathize with the delivery drivers (particularly if the rules / policy of the app is NOT doorstep delivery) and where theft is a real issue. However, as a (US) consumer, where the apps DO allow us to request doorstep delivery, I think there is no issue with consumers…

Right. You have absolutely no moral or ethical involvement in the outcomes of your purchasing decisions. Uh huh. Sure.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Post by mistercheph »

basisword wrote: post #2

Imagine getting paid to deliver something and complaining about actually having to deliver it. I can see the problems they face, but delivering an item...most of the way...isn't the solution.

Imagine paying the lowest bidder to deliver something and then complaining when it's late or in the wrong place. I can see the problems they face, but not hiring a professional to do the job .... isn't the solution.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Post by itslennysfault »

runnerup wrote: post #111
dahart wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I bike around with Kryptonites largest and thickest U-lock Oh you might want to visit the Lock Picking Lawyer’s YouTube channel today… he’s tested all the U-locks and picks them open in 30-60 seconds. https://youtu.be/fckVKa4K4Ps?si=Rwujt_k-QF-QYs4w https://youtu.be/jZtNEC1uGg4?si=KMZJnogntWmMB_fA

I do follow LPL, love the channel. I’ve never been worried about bike thieves picking locks, I’ve never seen or heard of them doing that. I’ve only seen/heard of them them using destructive methods, typically bolt cutters. If the average bike thief gets as good at picking locks at LPL, we’re very screwed!

I haven't heard of this being common (sorta surprisingly), but you can get a battery angle grinder for $40 these days and it'll go through literally any bike lock that exists in seconds.

Maybe it's not common because it is VERY loud and sparkly.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Post by forgetfreeman »

dingnuts wrote: post #115
bell-cot wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

15 minutes vs. 18 minutes - that's roughly a 17% pay cut for the driver, plus assumption of liability (for theft). I'll guess that ~100% of folks here on HN would feel themselves blatantly screwed over if they were on the receiving end of that deal.

If I was a disabled person who would have immense difficulty getting to the street and back again, I sure would hope I could pay an extra 3% or have that cost built in, because going to the street would defeat the purpose of getting delivery.

Right, but given population statistics it's a pretty safe bet that the majority of individuals involved here are not disabled in any meaningful way and are making life difficult for their delivery drivers for their own personal convenience. It's interesting to me how quick folks in the comment section are to try to take cover behind some dude in a wheelchair.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Post by capableweb »

manicennui wrote: post #140
minitoar wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ehhh no ethical consumption and all that but I’m gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that last sentence. If I become aware of a business treating workers poorly I’m inclined to find an alternative.

Better prepare yourself for the long list of things you depend on provided by companies that treat their employees like shit. Is your argument that we should try to remain ignorant of these things?

> Is your argument that we should try to remain ignorant of these things?

Is that really the most charitable way you could read parents comment? Obviously they're not arguing for that, but rather arguing for "voting with your money", so stop using services where abuse is evident/apparent.

And yes, it's a fairly large list, but it's not unmanageable. Me and my family try to do the same, it's not a huge hassle and it's not like you have to look up every single company before you buy anything, but if something comes up about a specific brand like "Nestle" or whatever, then we change to something else.

Lastly, the list is smaller than you think, I think. Most common consumer stuff you have at home is made by few huge corporations owning all the brands. "The Illusion of Choice in Consumer Brands" (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/illusion-of-choice-consumer...) is a famous view that shows you the situation.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Post by bitwize »

nlh wrote: post #42

US perspective (eg theft of bikes / crime is not AS serious a problem as Brazil, although it can be bad): I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand, I fully empathize with the delivery drivers (particularly if the rules / policy of the app is NOT doorstep delivery) and where theft is a real issue. However, as a (US) consumer, where the apps DO allow us to request doorstep delivery, I think there is no issue with consumers…

> US perspective (eg theft of bikes / crime is not AS serious a problem as Brazil, although it can be bad):

In the US we take the utilitarian perspective that the thief who took my bike has gained more happiness than I have lost without it, so maybe bike theft is a good thing[0].

In Brazil a bike is probably a fair bit more dear and may more likely be the user's only form of rapid personal transportation.

[0] https://i.imgur.com/ipgafyG.png

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Post by throwaway2037 »

nlh wrote: post #42

US perspective (eg theft of bikes / crime is not AS serious a problem as Brazil, although it can be bad): I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand, I fully empathize with the delivery drivers (particularly if the rules / policy of the app is NOT doorstep delivery) and where theft is a real issue. However, as a (US) consumer, where the apps DO allow us to request doorstep delivery, I think there is no issue with consumers…

On the street (outside) versus to your door inside: What is the cost worth to you? Please provide a percentage of your order. For example, a 20 USD total order from fast food place, inside delivery fee might be 10%, or 2 USD. Will you pay it.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Post by manicennui »

itslennysfault wrote: post #134

I've lived in several cities in the US over the past decade and noticed that delivery drivers in different regions have distinctly different norms regarding this. I lived on the 36th floor of a building in Chicago with a doorman, and I would consistently get the driver coming to up to my door. I don't think I ever once had to meet them in the lobby. When I lived in Seattle very very few drivers would come in from the…

My experience in Chicago is that it depends completely on how easy it is to park or double park.

Re: Come downstairs or we’ll eat your order, delivery workers tell customers

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Post by manicennui »

capableweb wrote: post #146
manicennui wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better prepare yourself for the long list of things you depend on provided by companies that treat their employees like shit. Is your argument that we should try to remain ignorant of these things?

> Is your argument that we should try to remain ignorant of these things? Is that really the most charitable way you could read parents comment? Obviously they're not arguing for that, but rather arguing for "voting with your money", so stop using services where abuse is evident/apparent. And yes, it's a fairly large list, but it's not unmanageable. Me and my family try to do the same, it's not a huge hassle and it's…

It isn't manageable. Do you have any idea how electronics are made? How the materials are obtained?
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