Maui residents who disobeyed barricades survived fires

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Re: Maui residents who disobeyed barricades survived fires

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Post by phpisthebest » Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 11:22 PM UTC

cmh89 wrote: post #139

s1artibartfast wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote PHPisthebest "I think you have confused ignoring the government orders with "doing the opposite". Are you claiming that government orders are optimal 100% of the time in 100% of situations? If not, then sometimes it is wrong, and it might be wrong for you. >How would going out lower your risk in this case? You obviously increased your risk, if only so slightly. Being alone miles from anyone else has zero cov…

>Are you claiming that government orders are optimal 100% of the time in 100% of situations? If not, then sometimes it is wrong, and it might be wrong for you. Of course not. Your example was just not a situation where not following orders was individually optimal. You and your friends are suffering from confirmation bias. They did something incredibly stupid and dangerous and put their lives at risk and more importa…

Why you believe outsourcing your thinking is the best course of action? Why has government done to earn such blind loyalty from you? As someone who has pretty in depth knowledge of history I can not fathom the level of trust you have placed in government. it is almost theological ...

Re: Maui residents who disobeyed barricades survived fires

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Post by hermitdev » Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

LorenPechtel wrote: post #20

phpisthebest wrote: post #9

Survival is almost always increased by ignoring government officials, I dont know why we have to keep relearning this lesson over and over again but some people still follow government like they have some divine knowledge Government works best which is subservient to the people, the second it becomes something else bad things will happen

No. Government generally has a much better big picture than you do and thus is more likely to get it right. Where they typically get it wrong is avoiding a known small risk vs a possible bigger risk. However, in this case it seems to be a known small risk vs a certain much bigger risk.

No, the local residents and first responders have a much better big picture on local issues, which a wildfire most definitely is. The problem with wildfires is a lot of personnel and management get shipped in from elsewhere, and they often have no clue on local conditions. I have great admiration for the firefighters that work wildfires, but the management is awful. But, I'm probably bitter because the Fed burned my parents' house down due to mismanagement of a wildfire.

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