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Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by JohnFen »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #115
melling wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, we’re not unique and often predictable. There usually is someone who says “I’ll never use the product because…” And it’s often a top comment. e.g. Smartphones with GPS, Amazon Alexa,… To me it’s simply a noisy discussion with little value. Don’t use it but let’s not waste time debating it. No one’s mind is going to change. I’d love nothing more than for an algorithm to filter out the noise and extract any i…

If you don't think you'll change anyone's mind, and aren't trying to, then why are you posting?

In all fairness, plenty of people post just to express their opinion or share their knowledge without any intention of changing anyone's mind about anything.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by speedgoose »

skybrian wrote: post #20

“Summarize this YouTube video” (given a link) is what I’d like to see and Google could easily do when there’s a transcript, but they’d probably rather make people watch the video. I think Kagi might do this? Any other good solutions?

ChatGPT plus with a YouTube plugin does that too.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by melling »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #115
melling wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, we’re not unique and often predictable. There usually is someone who says “I’ll never use the product because…” And it’s often a top comment. e.g. Smartphones with GPS, Amazon Alexa,… To me it’s simply a noisy discussion with little value. Don’t use it but let’s not waste time debating it. No one’s mind is going to change. I’d love nothing more than for an algorithm to filter out the noise and extract any i…

If you don't think you'll change anyone's mind, and aren't trying to, then why are you posting?

Person 1: “An electric vehicle will never work for me because…”

Person 2: “I want an electric vehicle because…”

Is that a better example to convey my point?

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by JohnFen »

hamasho wrote: post #41
jraph wrote: post #8

Privacy aside if it's done server side, I think this crosses another dangerous line. With this, Google controls how content you read is summarized, they could introduce biases, intentionally or not, and I'm not sure we should trust such an actor for this.

It may be summarized to what they want, but it can be what I want too. All YouTube recommendations are already what I want to see. Videos from creators who share my world view, criticizing what I hate, and praising what I've already liked. If this Chrome's new feature is also personalized in this manner, I can read articles against my view and still get only what I want. My world view will become increasingly polariz…

> All YouTube recommendations are already what I want to see.

I might feel more kindly toward YouTube recommendations if they did this for me.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by andsoitis »

everdrive wrote: post #133
andsoitis wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think is a good list length? One can assume search results are practically infinite, so you have to make a decision of where to stop. What would your heuristic / algorithm be for determining the termination point?

A list of every video where my terms show up somewhere in the title or description.

Do you want it sorted in some way? If so, why might you go to page 99999999999999 and pick the last item?

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by JohnFen »

andsoitis wrote: post #95
everdrive wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pick things from the bottom of the list a lot. I really hate when engineers try to guess what I want. I already know what I want. These “automatic” products are terrible.

What do you think is a good list length? One can assume search results are practically infinite, so you have to make a decision of where to stop. What would your heuristic / algorithm be for determining the termination point?

> One can assume search results are practically infinite

I don't think that can be assumed at all, actually. At least, it sure doesn't look that way when I search for most things, on YouTube or elsewhere. Most of them run out of relevant results pretty quickly and then start including obviously irrelevant results.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by [deleted] »

jorgesborges wrote: post #61
tsunamifury wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s summarizing. That is by its very nature a reduction of an article to certain bias elements. It’s not rocket science or some evil magic. Jeeze you’d think HackerNews never used anything that wasn’t a home brew open source libertarian approved product if you believed the comments here.

Not to mention the clear preference here for comments that summarize an article to avoid actually reading it. Or poison the well sufficiently for a person to say “oh well I already know what it says”.

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Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by morkalork »

brookst wrote: post #130
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #15

Hard pass. I don't want Google, or even a trustworthy neutral party, to decide my view of the world. (Compromised as it may be already.) We're all unique and unpredictable. In a given article, a random sentence or point considered throwaway by most people and algorithms could turn out to be meaningful to me. I've been trained not to even trust the basic facts they pull of out content like movie showtimes or whatever.…

I feel like this is knee-jerk over-generalization. Having Google summarize a too-long recipe (a problem they created, by the way) into just the simple ingredients and instructions is NOT "deciding your view of the world".

But it won't taste the same without knowing the authors childhood trauma!

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by Andrex »

brookst wrote: post #130
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #15

Hard pass. I don't want Google, or even a trustworthy neutral party, to decide my view of the world. (Compromised as it may be already.) We're all unique and unpredictable. In a given article, a random sentence or point considered throwaway by most people and algorithms could turn out to be meaningful to me. I've been trained not to even trust the basic facts they pull of out content like movie showtimes or whatever.…

I feel like this is knee-jerk over-generalization. Having Google summarize a too-long recipe (a problem they created, by the way) into just the simple ingredients and instructions is NOT "deciding your view of the world".

Maybe Google decides certain ingredients aren't fit for public consumption and changes the recipe in their "summary." Or maybe the FDA tells Google it has to do this.

On a mass scale, maybe 0.2% of people would double check the source page. The rest would be unknowingly influenced to eat "healthier" by Google.

Yes, this seems unlikely. But so has much in the last 5 years.

Why are we deliberately charging head-first into social man-in-the-middle attacks? We already don't trust each other enough. LLMs lie, and lie often. Why should we trust them for anything?

Would you be OK asking a LLM what food is safe for an infant, or a pet dog? Without checking the source?

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by carlosjobim »

patrickaljord wrote: post #51
uwerewarned wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is like a trustworthy neutral party except for the trustworthy and neutral bit

for non political issues it should fine, eg to describe an algorithm or other non-controversial tech issues for example.

And algorithms and some tech things are probably the only things left that aren't political issues.

Please note if you're reading this, that this comment was written in 2023, before mathematics and physics became highly contended political issues.

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