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YouTube-Dl Site Goes Offline as Hosting Provider Enforces Court-Ordered Ban

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Post by sitzkrieg »

netsharc wrote: post #100
danuker wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how a trillion-dollar company is playing cat-and-mouse with a few free software projects, and losing most of the time.

I have a feeling Google/Alphabet/YouTube aren't investing a lot of money into this, because they know their opponents have almost infinite resource, of free time and dedication. Besides how would you like to work in the YouTube "DRM" team, where every few weeks you'd show up to work and the news is "well, they cracked it again, your last few months' of work is useless.".

their work cycling between shutout and useless is the norm in many cat-mouse industries such as anticheat, malware, drug precursors, you name it. the funds go to the fight and not the endgame, everyone except denuvo customers seem to have figured that

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Post by sitzkrieg »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #123
Modified3019 wrote: post #114

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It’s too late, I have both a python interpreter and a 3D printer Become ungovernable

I have a bootloader, an internet connection and the C manual! I shall conquer the world!

what next, an open source DRAM controller? :D

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Post by sitzkrieg »

pessimizer wrote: post #82
autoexec wrote: post #43

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MS has done a good thing by defending youtube-dl but their lax enforcement concerning windows piracy is a bit different. MS turns a blind eye to windows piracy for the same reasons malware authors don't care if their software is spread on GitHub or P2P sites. Microsoft cares much more about getting their hands on all your personal data than they care about the money they'd get from an OEM license. People can download…

I don't think so. I think the real reason is that a pirated Windows install is not Mac or Linux, and will probably, eventually, become a legal Windows install. Imagine telling a bunch of possibly talented and/or ambitious poor people that they should use another (better) operating system. Instead, let them become Windows experts and ultimately make Microsoft more money.

indeed, even if never a valid purchase, still a valuable datapoint for 99% of those "non tech savvy didnt block all the telemetry domains in their personal pihole, but managed to activated w massgrave" crowd

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Post by riidom »

skyyler wrote: post #3

As noted in the article, the project still has a page on github: http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ I've moved on to https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp anyways. But this is still an infuriating move. youtube-dl wasn't doing anything infringing on its site, was it?

It was a thread just like this, some years ago, where I heard first from youtube-dl. I never uninstalled something faster than JD2 afterwards.

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Post by sitzkrieg »

gamblor956 wrote: post #64
qingcharles wrote: post #26

This is why I'm setting up a reverse proxy on another host in front of my web site, in case I get some fake takedown request from a competitor that causes my host to delete my account. At least if I use a proxy I can spend a small amount of time setting up a new proxy. I used to have a competitor who would email PayPal every couple of weeks to tell them our web site had CP on it just so PayPal would instantly shut of…

After the second false claim you should have had your legal department reach out to theirs, and to the FBI, and that would have solved both your takedown problems and created a huge legal headache for your competitor. And by "headache" I mean time spent in prison. Paypal has long had the ability to whitelist websites that are subject to this kind of harassment. If you choose not to avail yourself of these options, it…

maybe i missed it but after searching i see this mentioned nowhere public. just ips to whitelist for firewalls and junk like that.

so like i get they could contact support again and ask about avenues but not knowing about this seems unfair?

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Post by zlg_codes »

tivert wrote: post #116
agensaequivocum wrote: post #107

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Except one is an explicitly enumerated constitutional right.

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Do you have a more substantial breaking down of the text and the intended meaning? It doesn't make sense for it to only apply to the government. The Constitution puts limits on government, not the other way around. In fact, it lists a variety of things that are recognized as inalienable rights, such as the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Gonna try to twist that to opposite day, too?

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Post by zlg_codes »

eastbound wrote: post #70
branon wrote: post #2

It's laughable how symbolic and ultimately meaningless this is. GitHub has already proven themselves to be a good actor in this particular fight, so not only is the repo online, but we also have http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ The Uberspace provider is appealing the decision as well. Even with the site down, this looks incredibly positive from where I sit. Rightsholders and litigators get stuffed, we always win…

I wish it weren’t seen as a battle against rightholders. It’s a big burden for freedom of expression. When there is a lie spread by actual journalists, it’s extremely important to be able to download the video, criticize it, show the moment the journalist lies, reupload it. Otherwise we become like DDR Germany where the people in power never get criticized or held accountable for what they say. The shareholder rights…

It seems fitting that it was a German court who handed down the braindead ruling.

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Post by agensaequivocum »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #132
tivert wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It was widely understood prior to the 20th century that the right applied to the people. Here is a long thread with dozens of sources https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1645290263299117056.html . Overwhelming they all agree that military weapons are most protected of all. > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,…

> The constitutions of most of our states assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, both fact and law, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person; freedom of religion; freedom of property; and freedom of the press.

~ Thomas Jefferson

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/98-01-02-4...

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Post by zlg_codes »

qingcharles wrote: post #134
skissane wrote: post #62

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> I used to have a competitor who would email PayPal every couple of weeks to tell them our web site had CP on it just so PayPal would instantly shut off our payment gateway while they investigated Isn’t this sort of behaviour criminal? (I mean the competitor submitting a fake child pornography report, not whatever PayPal did to respond to it.) And if not, surely it ought to be.

Yes, but it was done anonymously. The competitor denied all knowledge of it, but the guy he paid to do the reporting would talk to me through chat every day to gloat about it. I ended up paying 15000EUR bounty to track the guy down. Found him in Germany. 15 year old kid. Had somebody talk his mother about him. Never had a problem again after that.

Did you ever try to recover the amount spent on the bounty? That kid caused damages to your business.

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Post by armchairhacker »

deadbunny wrote: post #138
danuker wrote: post #92

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It's funny how a trillion-dollar company is playing cat-and-mouse with a few free software projects, and losing most of the time.

I guess you missed the "not" Google proposal for the Browser Attestation API? No need to put too many respurces fighting for a single site when you can just lock it down to blessed browsers.

In order for web DRM to be feasible, it has to work without issues for 99% of average users while blocking the few who will go to great lengths to simulate attestation. That’s a hard goal.

TPM1.2 (used up until a few years back) is already broken because it uses SHA-1. If someone finds an exploit for TPM2.0, a dedicated team could manipulate the entire sandbox down to the hardware to simulate a “blessed browser”, making it even harder for google to detect until nearly everyone moves to devices which don’t even exist yet.

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