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Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by deciplex »

croes wrote: post #132
deciplex wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a developer that is getting literally nothing for his app or plugin is more likely to sell it than a developer that's getting some income from it. At the least, the buyer would need to match the current value that the app provides its author.

I don't know. A developer who didn't charge anything from the beginning has more likely other motives releasing his software than making money. But if you already make a little money you may easily fall for a lot of money.

I mean, everyone's gotta eat. I think there's plenty of instances of someone building a tool that they personally find useful and then making that tool available for free, unsure of what the reception will be and not expecting a lot of users. But if that something does very well and finds a wide audience I think it's natural to try to earn a living from it. And, if the attempts to "monetize" fail (as they often do) and someone is offering a lot of money in a lump sum to take it off their hands, well frankly I think they'd be foolish not to take it. And if that arrangement happens to turn out poorly for the userbase, well hopefully that will be another small object lesson in paying for things you find useful, when politely asked.

(And yes, I'm aware that's a lesson that really should have been learned by now, if it was going to be learned at all. Alas.)

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by [deleted] »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #84
laurent123456 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the developer is well paid, probably not? Why would they throw away what they built for a lump sum if they have decent side-business and recurrent revenues?

Given a sufficient lump sum that guarantees I no longer have to work, my morals can be easily bought.

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Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by ajkjk »

cpmsmith wrote: post #115
ajkjk wrote: post #11

There's gotta be some law that could be passed about stuff like this. Software should have an implicit contract that it does what it says and not something wildly different than it, with harsh penalties for violations.

Common licenses specifically go out of their way not to imply such a contract. This is the start of the all-caps portion of the MIT License [0]: > THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED “AS IS”, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO […] FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE …and the GPL has nearly the same text in section 15. [1] [0]: https://opensource.org/license/mit/ [1]: https://www.gnu.org/…

Yeah, but also common licenses are set by the distributor. (which they're also evidently free to secretly change?)

I want the other side of the deal: a default license implicit in the existence of software that can't be traded away without an explicit contract that involves something like an exchange of money, which a federal agency will safeguard against violations of. If an extension changes its behavior nefariously people should go to jail. If Google safeguards an extension that changes it's behavior nefariously then Google should go to company jail. (or, like, be fined and forced to comply).

(admittedly, this is hopeless idealism. But still.)

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by smoldesu »

laurent123456 wrote: post #47
mschuster91 wrote: post #8

I hate silent takeovers so much. Chrome developer extensions are another very popular thing for bad actors to buy out and replace with malware, and it sucks.

That's the problem with free apps. Very few people want to donate, no decent company is interested in buying the app and making it profitable, so all that's left are the worst kind of companies who buy these extensions and apps to exploit the users. All these free apps have value but unfortunately it doesn't translate to any income for the developer so they find other ways.

It's not a problem with Free apps. If you're forced to redistribute the source code, it heavily disincentivizes attacks like this.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by fingerlocks »

jw1224 wrote: post #79
cpleppert wrote: post #15

>> It is an alternative to the built in macOS automatic mode which only switches when the user steps away from the computer. Huh? Setting a schedule/location for nightshift and setting the dark mode setting to auto will always change instantly. If you use a launcher or spotlight then a simple one line applescript can change the setting as well. (tell application "System Events" to tell appearance preferences to set d…

> Huh? Setting a schedule/location for nightshift and setting the dark mode setting to auto will always change instantly Not in my case?! I’d say there’s a 25% chance that Dark Mode enables at sunset. It’s been this way for years — even up til Ventura. Has it worked flawlessly for everyone else the whole time?

Only time it didn’t work flawlessly was because I had contradictory settings between my phone and MacBook

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by akira2501 »

TZubiri wrote: post #36
cpleppert wrote: post #15

>> It is an alternative to the built in macOS automatic mode which only switches when the user steps away from the computer. Huh? Setting a schedule/location for nightshift and setting the dark mode setting to auto will always change instantly. If you use a launcher or spotlight then a simple one line applescript can change the setting as well. (tell application "System Events" to tell appearance preferences to set d…

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Imagine spending thousands of dollars for something that can't even do basic personal automation reliably.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by NavinF »

dingosity wrote: post #130
Astronaut3315 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you actually need it for? I’ve had it disabled for ages, have no port forwards defined and have never had any issues.

+1. I also have had it disabled for ages. What features am I missing out on? When I look at the UPnP docs it talks about uses for which I have other mechanisms.

VoIP and video calls have lower quality and higher latency without UPnP since this often forces webRTC to tunnel through a TURN server. Networks that have neither IPv6 nor UPnP are just broken

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by sublinear »

ncallaway wrote: post #109
sublinear wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure if a majority of users expect apps to not steal your data or misuse your internet connection. Sadly this isn't the case anymore. The layperson is distrustful by default and can only rely on the more astute to blow a whistle. Even a judge would just say to not install apps that aren't critical to your everyday life and be done with it. Nobody has the time to swat at flies.

> The layperson is distrustful by default This sounds like it was written from an alternate reality. It doesn’t match my experience at all

Yeah distrust isn't enough to deter the layperson from using an app anyway. That's my whole point.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by laurent123456 »

mulmen wrote: post #63
laurent123456 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the developer is well paid, probably not? Why would they throw away what they built for a lump sum if they have decent side-business and recurrent revenues?

If I offer you 100 years worth of revenue for your browser extension are you really not going to entertain the idea of selling?

Sure but they probably won't offer that much. What I mean is that the value of this app, despite being free, is not zero, but that's probably what the developer was getting. So even if he got 10K for it, he's happy and moved on.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by balaji1 »

jw1224 wrote: post #79
cpleppert wrote: post #15

>> It is an alternative to the built in macOS automatic mode which only switches when the user steps away from the computer. Huh? Setting a schedule/location for nightshift and setting the dark mode setting to auto will always change instantly. If you use a launcher or spotlight then a simple one line applescript can change the setting as well. (tell application "System Events" to tell appearance preferences to set d…

> Huh? Setting a schedule/location for nightshift and setting the dark mode setting to auto will always change instantly Not in my case?! I’d say there’s a 25% chance that Dark Mode enables at sunset. It’s been this way for years — even up til Ventura. Has it worked flawlessly for everyone else the whole time?

there seem to be many features that are flawless for some, and hit-or-miss for others. Example Airpods pairing, airplay are not always consistent.
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