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Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by kyle_v »

wincy wrote: post #125
RheingoldRiver wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is 0.3 and not 3 right? I just checked and my pills are 3mg. If it's supposed to be 0.3 I will buy a new bottle immediately and see if it improves my sleep. 100% agree about taking it early, I get a bit of an "omg I'm sleepy" effect immediately, but I'm pretty sure it's placebo, I have to take it about 1-2 hours before I want to sleep. But it's still not super effective on its own.

I use 0.3mg and it has also improved my sleep drastically. It’s not a typo. I also give it to my kids who had terrible problems with sleep (staying up until 1am and bad stuff) and it’s made bedtime happen promptly.

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Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by webnrrd2k »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #86
maltyr wrote: post #5

I'm not sure we should cover our food in melatonin. People would recoil at the thought of pretty much any other hormone being added to our food supply. It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. The article suggests it's safer than current food additives, but I find that statement questionable. We don't understand the full effect of Melatonin on the human body…

I think it was here, where I read that the optimal dosage for melatonin was 0.3 mg (300 micrograms). The smallest OTC dosage you can get, is 1mg, and they sell 10mg pills. When I switched from 10mg to 0.3mg, my sleep improved drastically . Also, I stopped getting those really weird dreams. But I don't like taking stuff, and ended up stopping completely, a long time ago.

Just a suggestion for everyone that takes melatonin -- get some liquid drops. I have a bottle that has 3mg per 30 drops, so I just take 3 drops on my tongue an hour or two before I want to fall asleep. Liquid drops are the way to go.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by noodlenotes »

sottol wrote: post #108
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll see if I can find the posting. It was a fairly exhaustive article. It was enough for me to give it a try. EDIT: I think this was it. Looks like it's had a couple of turns here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17632668

Yes, I think that's the post. I was also just going to post that. What I ended up doing is buy smallest dose of melatonin gummy-bears (3mg afair) and they were easier to cut into smaller pieces/lower doses than pills. I occasionally use these to adjust my circadian rhythm. Naturally I go to bed around 2-4am but I have kids that wake us up at the crack of dawn.

My nearby stores have started carrying 1 mg children's melatonin gummies.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by webnrrd2k »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #101
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was here, where I read that the optimal dosage for melatonin was 0.3 mg (300 micrograms). The smallest OTC dosage you can get, is 1mg, and they sell 10mg pills. When I switched from 10mg to 0.3mg, my sleep improved drastically . Also, I stopped getting those really weird dreams. But I don't like taking stuff, and ended up stopping completely, a long time ago.

Is there a source for the 0.3mg, because the most sleep supplements around here I've tried seem to have at least 0.5mg, or at least 1mg. They contain a mixture of other things as well, like magnesium, leonurus cadiaca, humulus lupulus. Melatonin only supplements mostly seem to start at around 2mg. There may be few of them at 1mg. I can't tell if I've personally had any effects from melatonin specifically though. Some…

Just a suggestion for everyone that takes melatonin -- get some liquid drops. I have a bottle that has 3mg per 30 drops, so I take 3 drops on my tongue an hour or two before I want to fall asleep. Liquid drops are the way to go.

[I just posted this upthread, but reposting because I think it's a great way to go]

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by kbutler »

burnished wrote: post #52
kbutler wrote: post #47

On a youth camping trip, one morning a boy found his (contraband) snacks had been raided. A raccoon (probably) had chewed through the tent, into his backpack, eaten various snacks, and opened his bottle of melatonin and eaten quite a few pills. I wonder what the effects were of a massive overdose of melatonin on an animal the size of a raccoon...

It probably took a nap? I'm not sure about raccoon biology but in humans melatonin is one of the least hazardous things. I'm not sure you can overdose on it practically speaking

Apparently you can: https://rightasrain.uwmedicine.org/body/sleep/melatonin-over...

  A study of poison control calls in the U.S. found the number of melatonin poisoning–related calls increased six times from 2012 to 2021. Of these calls, more than 4,000 teens and children were hospitalized and two died.  

  Signs of melatonin overdose include excessive sleepiness, vomiting and trouble breathing. Other side effects of both low and high doses of melatonin can include headaches, excessive sleepiness, blood pressure changes, gastrointestinal problems, changes in other hormone levels and mood problems,

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by crazygringo »

kelnos wrote: post #103
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was here, where I read that the optimal dosage for melatonin was 0.3 mg (300 micrograms). The smallest OTC dosage you can get, is 1mg, and they sell 10mg pills. When I switched from 10mg to 0.3mg, my sleep improved drastically . Also, I stopped getting those really weird dreams. But I don't like taking stuff, and ended up stopping completely, a long time ago.

I still use melatonin on occasion. When I first learned about it, I tried the 10mg version, and it never did anything for me. Years ago I read about 0.3mg being the correct dose, and gave that a try. I don't take it every night, but when I do, I sleep much better, and for longer without waking up. The main annoying thing about it is that you really need to take it a few hours before you go to sleep. So it's not somet…

I too have had much better success with 0.3 mg, although it's annoying to have to cut up the pills.

But for me personally, I get the full effect within about 45 min, and it's noticeable within about 20 min.

I only take it very occasionally, when I need to shift my schedule to wake up several hours earlier than normal.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

RheingoldRiver wrote: post #122
kelnos wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still use melatonin on occasion. When I first learned about it, I tried the 10mg version, and it never did anything for me. Years ago I read about 0.3mg being the correct dose, and gave that a try. I don't take it every night, but when I do, I sleep much better, and for longer without waking up. The main annoying thing about it is that you really need to take it a few hours before you go to sleep. So it's not somet…

This is 0.3 and not 3 right? I just checked and my pills are 3mg. If it's supposed to be 0.3 I will buy a new bottle immediately and see if it improves my sleep. 100% agree about taking it early, I get a bit of an "omg I'm sleepy" effect immediately, but I'm pretty sure it's placebo, I have to take it about 1-2 hours before I want to sleep. But it's still not super effective on its own.

I brought special 300 microgram pills on Amazon. There's actually a link in the story.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by noodlenotes »

maltyr wrote: post #5

I'm not sure we should cover our food in melatonin. People would recoil at the thought of pretty much any other hormone being added to our food supply. It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. The article suggests it's safer than current food additives, but I find that statement questionable. We don't understand the full effect of Melatonin on the human body…

I would be annoyed if I started getting so much melatonin from my food that my nightly 0.3 mg melatonin stopped making me sleepy. And I imagine everyone else would be annoyed when they stopped getting sleepy at night from their own melatonin. (Apparently 0.1 - 0.3 mg is what we produce naturally?)

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by barake »

webnrrd2k wrote: post #142
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was here, where I read that the optimal dosage for melatonin was 0.3 mg (300 micrograms). The smallest OTC dosage you can get, is 1mg, and they sell 10mg pills. When I switched from 10mg to 0.3mg, my sleep improved drastically . Also, I stopped getting those really weird dreams. But I don't like taking stuff, and ended up stopping completely, a long time ago.

Just a suggestion for everyone that takes melatonin -- get some liquid drops. I have a bottle that has 3mg per 30 drops, so I just take 3 drops on my tongue an hour or two before I want to fall asleep. Liquid drops are the way to go.

Didn't realize it was available in a liquid form like this. I've been buying "child" tablets and breaking the 3mg apart.

10mg is the same as an edible for me, and super unpleasant when trying to rest.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by mackatap »

crazygringo wrote: post #146
kelnos wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still use melatonin on occasion. When I first learned about it, I tried the 10mg version, and it never did anything for me. Years ago I read about 0.3mg being the correct dose, and gave that a try. I don't take it every night, but when I do, I sleep much better, and for longer without waking up. The main annoying thing about it is that you really need to take it a few hours before you go to sleep. So it's not somet…

I too have had much better success with 0.3 mg, although it's annoying to have to cut up the pills. But for me personally, I get the full effect within about 45 min, and it's noticeable within about 20 min. I only take it very occasionally, when I need to shift my schedule to wake up several hours earlier than normal.

Same goes for me on the timing. If I take it more than an hour before I lay down to sleep it will not help me at all.
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