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Post by Daktest »

walthamstow wrote: post #86
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #68

Dara Khosrowshahi, CEO of Uber and former CEO of Expedia, also has a pretty illustrious immigrant family - see the Personal Life section of his Wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dara_Khosrowshahi

Rich Iranians fleeing the revolution with their money and becoming rich Britons or Americans is not exactly a fairytale. Just because someone is an immigrant it doesn't mean they earned everything by their bootstraps.

According to the source article in Wikipedia: "“We had very limited money,” Lili Khosrowshahi recalled of the family’s early days in the U.S. “I’d never worked before. I started working full-time, and every penny we earned was put in Dara [and two other son’s] education… and it was expensive. I remember at the time coffee was $0.15 [a cup], and I wouldn’t buy a cup of coffee for myself.”"

https://observer.com/2018/10/uber-ceo-dara-khosrowshahi-moth...

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by [deleted] »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #2

The wiki does a bad job of clarifying what the relationship is (wth does "first cousin once removed" even mean?). Here's a family tree: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jensen-huang-and-lisa-su-f... Still, I always loved how immigrants to the US always ended up in high level positions, starting or leading top US companies, something that never/rarely happens here in Europe where maintaining the status quo and the "n…

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Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by htrp »

throwawayadvsec wrote: post #22
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #2

The wiki does a bad job of clarifying what the relationship is (wth does "first cousin once removed" even mean?). Here's a family tree: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jensen-huang-and-lisa-su-f... Still, I always loved how immigrants to the US always ended up in high level positions, starting or leading top US companies, something that never/rarely happens here in Europe where maintaining the status quo and the "n…

The US are a younger country and it's full of immigrants/children of immigrants. Most of the money here is old money. There are dozens of implicit rules. In France having a teacher as a parent is a better indicator of whether you'll get into a top school than being rich. Because you have to know all the tricks in the book to get anywhere. From my POV getting into Ivy League seems as simple as getting a high SAT, appl…

> From my POV getting into Ivy League seems as simple as getting a high SAT, applying, getting approved for a loan

It's more like the teacher in France example, except you also have to be rich.

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by HWR_14 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #2

The wiki does a bad job of clarifying what the relationship is (wth does "first cousin once removed" even mean?). Here's a family tree: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jensen-huang-and-lisa-su-f... Still, I always loved how immigrants to the US always ended up in high level positions, starting or leading top US companies, something that never/rarely happens here in Europe where maintaining the status quo and the "n…

> never/rarely happens here in Europe where maintaining the status quo and the "natural order" gets priority at all cost.

The US lets people rise to higher heights, but income mobility is better in many parts of Europe. That is, the odds of moving from low or lower-middle class parents to the upper-middle class are higher in most major European countries (e.g. UK, France, Germany, Scandinavian). For that matter, it is also better in Japan, Australia and Canada. [0]

Or maybe what I saw is flawed and biased. I haven't spent a lot of time confirming it. I definitely have seen the claim pop up from time to time. It makes intuitive sense that society could prioritize either goal but that policies that help one hurt the other.

[0] https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-social-mobility-...

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by prmoustache »

dustincoates wrote: post #29
throwawayadvsec wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US are a younger country and it's full of immigrants/children of immigrants. Most of the money here is old money. There are dozens of implicit rules. In France having a teacher as a parent is a better indicator of whether you'll get into a top school than being rich. Because you have to know all the tricks in the book to get anywhere. From my POV getting into Ivy League seems as simple as getting a high SAT, appl…

As an immigrant to France who wants my kids to succeed… how do I learn these paths?

Make them move abroad. [1]

I kind of slacked off when I was in post secondary school, I didn't go to "classe prépa" but did a DUT because I was bored of studies, still ended up afterwards in an engineering school after my DUT because my parents kind of pushed me to contest for an entry. I ended up even more bored, fell in love with a girl I met that was living in another country, dropped from the engineering school after the first year, moved abroad to join her, applied there for a job, got it at first interview. Being motivated in a work environment (compared to a more meaningless to me educationnal one), I quickly climbed the echelons to be considered an "engineer" in the industry meaning, without having an actual engineering degree. I did so during the few years it takes someone to finish engineering/grandes écoles and find an actual job in France.

I learned that in many places outside of France having a few years more work experience and verifiable credentials is actually more valuable than a nice degree when applying for a job being 25 and that at 35 nobody cares anymore what degree you got in the first place.

[1] I am taking the assumption that your kids will or have already obtained french nationality and a european passport.

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by dragonwriter »

hot_gril wrote: post #133
dragonwriter wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From my POV getting into Ivy League seems as simple as getting a high SAT, applying, getting approved for a loan. Your POV is simply, factually, wrong; more people get high SATs and apply to the Ivy League schools than they can admit by a wide margin, and there are a lot of tricks (many of which leverage accidents of birth, wealth, and social circle) beyond that which go to getting to the top of the list. The bigge…

> The bigger ones involve the hyper rich buying buildings, and the merely very rich engaging in bribery which is higher risk when discovered, but legacies, padding applications with extracurrriculars for which opportunities are very much not equal, etc., all play a role. Legacy and extracurricular are the big ones. Very, very few people are buying buildings or bribing.

By “big” I meant showy, not common or broadly used.

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by yaantc »

dustincoates wrote: post #29
throwawayadvsec wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US are a younger country and it's full of immigrants/children of immigrants. Most of the money here is old money. There are dozens of implicit rules. In France having a teacher as a parent is a better indicator of whether you'll get into a top school than being rich. Because you have to know all the tricks in the book to get anywhere. From my POV getting into Ivy League seems as simple as getting a high SAT, appl…

As an immigrant to France who wants my kids to succeed… how do I learn these paths?

You can find some guides on the topic, for example: https://www.letudiant.fr/etudes/classes-prepa.html.

Very often, when a kid is good enough its school main teacher will mention the possibility of going to a prépa: it's good for a school reputation when they can send kids to prépas.

For sure it's better when the parents are already in the known, but it wasn't the case for me and it was not a show stopper. There's plenty of public information and the importance of "grandes écoles" in France is not a secret.

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by foogazi »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #2

The wiki does a bad job of clarifying what the relationship is (wth does "first cousin once removed" even mean?). Here's a family tree: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jensen-huang-and-lisa-su-f... Still, I always loved how immigrants to the US always ended up in high level positions, starting or leading top US companies, something that never/rarely happens here in Europe where maintaining the status quo and the "n…

> Still, I always loved how immigrants to the US always ended up in high level positions, starting or leading top US companies

Yea, we are all tech CEOs over here

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by em-bee »

eldaisfish wrote: post #130
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where in that article does it say it's illegal to gather ethnical data in the EU? You're talking nonsense, I lived in 2 EU countries and government had ethnical data on citizens. From where I read the article, it it says the contrary, Germany has racism and discrimination on the labor and housing market, but it can't be proven because it gathers no data. So having no data actually makes the problem worse since racism…

I wouldn’t claim so boldly that my claims are nonsense. In many European countries affected by the Holocaust, gathering ethnic data is illegal. The article even mentions the example of Germany and i know it is illegal in France too. If anything, your claims are unsubstantiated. Edit: here is a good source, see page 16 https://one.oecd.org/document/SDD/DOC(2018)9/en/pdf My original wording was clumsy. Most EU countrie…

so don't track race, but track location of birth, location of birth of parents (and grandparents) and all their respective native languages and local language capacity.

in europe most of that should correlate with the questions we want to answer since there shouldn't be many immigrants that have been here for more than a few generations and speaking the local language fluently. those who have been here longer should be well integrated by now.

in the US that wouldn't work because discrimination happens despite people having been there for many generations all speaking fluent english.

Re: Nvidia’s CEO Is the Uncle of AMD’s CEO

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Post by grumpy_coder »

walthamstow wrote: post #86
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #68

Dara Khosrowshahi, CEO of Uber and former CEO of Expedia, also has a pretty illustrious immigrant family - see the Personal Life section of his Wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dara_Khosrowshahi

Rich Iranians fleeing the revolution with their money and becoming rich Britons or Americans is not exactly a fairytale. Just because someone is an immigrant it doesn't mean they earned everything by their bootstraps.

I always enjoy the story of poor immigrants 'humble beginnings' sent away to expensive boarding school in foreign country.
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