Can they just license the tech already and let someone make a laptop.
Outside working in the sun is the killer app for color e-ink
Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do anecdotally find that the better ambient light causes less eye strain.
When your pupils are smaller, the image that hits your retina is sharper, just like with a pinhole camera. Sharper images lead to less eyestrain because you don't need to keep your eye still for as long. I use light color themes for this reason. Although I always add the caveat to "do what works for you", because everyone's body is different.
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#143Why make this for a desktop? E-ink is mostly useful for wireless applications and anywhere power is limited or there's a need for always on, static display.
It's also easier on the eyes and can be used in sunny conditions. With that being said, I would love to see one in a smart phone or laptop.
There are many "smartphones" available with EPD display, and some of them use colour EPD displays.
Check e.g. the Hisense.
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#144Do not miss an important detail: it is Kaleido. It means, it uses an overlaid colour filter matrix (RGBW, if I remember correctly). This allows for the comparatively high refresh rates of B/W EPD, but it is B/W EPD with a semi-transparent multi-tinted layer on top, which obviously impacts the brightness. (The alternative would be multi-pigmented EPD cells - "Advanced Color E-Paper"... Which suffers from dramatically…
Dramatically low basically equals the single color refresh rate multiplied by the number of base colors used to form color images.
No. Much worse. Think 30 seconds for a 7-color display. (B&w can do under one second)
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#145I don't think I could ever see seriously using this as a general computing monitor. But I have been long wanting to replace a couple of screens I have mounted to the wall with e-ink variants (hooked up to raspberry pi's) but the existing solutions were.... not great. If the price is right for this, I might actually be into this.
> e-ink variants (hooked up to raspberry pi's) ... If the price is right for this, I might actually be into this At that point, you could just get the display and controller from E-Ink. The Kaleido of this monitor does not appear for me in the E-Ink shop, but there is the 13.3'' full AcEP on sale, 1600x1200, as-if 60,000 colours through pigments, for ~800$, «Hands-on experiment with Raspberry Pi #3». https://shopkits…
That is still a lot more than I would want to spend given I have working solutions with larger monitors.
Plus I would need to figure out the mount for that, I currently just use a 3D printed VESA wall mount for what I have.
But given that what you linked is $800 for a screen 10 inches smaller than what is being advertised here... this monitor is likely not going to be cheap.
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#146I have their 13in grayscale e-ink device. I assume the underlying tech is similar. What they carefully filter out is the significant ghosting of the device that builds up immediately and needs to be cleared with a button on the monitor. The contrast is also poor and blends with ghosted content so you need more time to tell what’s real or junk pixels. The front light on the device is still required in most lighting si…
Very valuable feedback, thank you. Coil whine would drive me bananas. Username checks out.
Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> e-ink variants (hooked up to raspberry pi's) ... If the price is right for this, I might actually be into this At that point, you could just get the display and controller from E-Ink. The Kaleido of this monitor does not appear for me in the E-Ink shop, but there is the 13.3'' full AcEP on sale, 1600x1200, as-if 60,000 colours through pigments, for ~800$, «Hands-on experiment with Raspberry Pi #3». https://shopkits…
That is still a lot more than I would want to spend given I have working solutions with larger monitors. Plus I would need to figure out the mount for that, I currently just use a 3D printed VESA wall mount for what I have. But given that what you linked is $800 for a screen 10 inches smaller than what is being advertised here... this monitor is likely not going to be cheap.
> not going to be cheap
Sure, that was part of the point I was making (get the part¹, not the 3rd party build). I thought you had an idea of the range: the B/W original costs 1,748 USD (links are in the page), this one has a few reasons to cost more...
¹(incidentally, technologically better in this case)
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have been thinking about one of these for writing. Is it something you recommend for that express purpose? Note: I can't just use an e-ink screen w/keyboard and a simple text editor, I used a handful of specialized writing programs like Scrivener and FinalDraft and often collaborate in Gdocs, so I need something that mirrors the screen of a personal computer unfortunately. My goal is to be able to spend more time out…
You can, but satisfactory text editors on Android can be hard to find. No issue with a large enough EPD tablet, a BT keyboard, a good text editor, good configuration and your ability to adapt to the system (latency etc.)
Thanks – I probably should have been clearer: I work in a variety of programs (FinalDraft, Highland 2, Gdocs, Scrivener, Notion) so I need to emulate what I see on my regular screen (OSX). My goal with the e-ink display is to be able to do more writing outside.
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#149I have their 13in grayscale e-ink device. I assume the underlying tech is similar. What they carefully filter out is the significant ghosting of the device that builds up immediately and needs to be cleared with a button on the monitor. The contrast is also poor and blends with ghosted content so you need more time to tell what’s real or junk pixels. The front light on the device is still required in most lighting si…
Very valuable feedback, thank you. Coil whine would drive me bananas. Username checks out.
To be noted that EPD displays are in general completely silent. This exception...
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
RM2 ex-pat club member here too! Beautiful design, bizarrely crippled user experience. They put a wifi+bt chip on the board, but didn't connect the bluetooth signals, so you couldn't use a bluetooth keyboard with it like any other tablet. And a zillion other frustrations. I sold it to a friend after making super sure he was okay with the limitations and wouldn't blame me for selling him a lemon.
I've written about this on HN before, but the RM2 people don't make the device show up as a standard USB device, which makes file manipulations hard. I think this is an effort to sell their "cloud" server stuff for a few dollars a month. That's not been the effect on me; instead, I barely use mine, and complain about it on the Internet.
To make this simpler I made Regittable[0] for personal use. As only an occasional RM2 user (a weekend a month), I activate the python script on my desktop, pack my RM2 and go to a cafe, and when I'm back my files are all in Dropbox or in the project git repo, depending on if they're new or old respectively. I had plans to add more features to Regittable (like have it submit PRs instead of committing as you) but never needed them myself so didn't bother.