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Epilogue of my time working at Twitter

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Literally who has improved humanity more this century? I ask with all seriousness. Electric cars and rockets would not be where they are if he had chosen a different and much less difficult path.

What did he actually do with regards to electric cars and rockets, besides getting richer? I do give credit for being good at hyping up shit, less good at actually delivering that.

I would give him credit for pushing past the catch-22 in electric cars that people would not buy them until the charging infrastructure was there and the infrastructure was not going to be built up until there were more electric cars.

He was able to make the upfront investment in the charging infrastructure to get EV momentum going (Even thought it was probably largely other people's money involved). Legacy car makers might never have been capable of reaching that point, being tied to different profitability timelines.

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> Elon has an exceptional talent for tackling hard physics-based problems but products that facilitate human connection and communication require a different type of social-emotional intelligence. This feels like the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. The author encountered Elon working in their area of expertise, saw that Elon was wildly incompetent, and recognized that in this specific case Elon Musk was not a great leader.…

This right here is the million dollar question. I spent years following the Tesla drama and watching subs like /r/realTesla tear into Tesla's decisions. This sub was filled with "industry people" and well the naysayers have been screaming from the tops of hills since 2010 about Teslas mistakes. Most people ignored them because they are not in the auto industry. This quote from Bob Lutz explained it perfectly: https:/…

> Now we have incumbents copying Tesla's approaches to solving some problems.

Though not building cars in tents, to the best of my knowledge.

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Heavy electric cars and rockets are making the biggest problems of this century worse. We don't need more rockets or space tourism. And instead of building heavy EVs, Tesla should help the US build public transports. That is, if they want to help humanity.

> Heavy electric cars Electric cars being heavier have an impact in that it causes more wear and tear on roads. But they're absolutely dwarfed by the wear semis cause. Even when the electricity comes entirely from coal, electric vehicles are more efficient than ICE vehicles, so every EV deployed reduces greenhouse gas emissions. > and rockets Rockets impact on emissions is a rounding error on the global scale. The nu…

> Electric cars being heavier have an impact in that

In that moving a heavier weight takes more energy. We don't need to slightly reduce our energy consumption, we need to drastically reduce it. Meaning that in any country that did not make the same mistake as the US (being to build their society around individual cars), heavy EV are clearly not enough. We need to use public transports, (e-)bikes, and small EVs for those who don't really have a choice. As far as I understand, a Tesla is basically a sports car. There is no place for sports cars where we are going. Of course I understand it is harder for the US, both because of culture (SUVs are the norm, right?) and infrastructure.

Still it's never too late to start building better infrastructures, I suppose.

> Even when the electricity comes entirely from coal, electric vehicles are more efficient than ICE vehicles

What do you mean by "more efficient"? That a Tesla produces less CO2 using electricity made from coal than a small ICE vehicle? How in the world did you get to that conclusion?

> so every EV deployed reduces greenhouse gas emissions.

It's more complicated than that. If you throw away a recent, small ICE vehicle in order to deploy an EV, I am pretty sure it doesn't reduce much. You have to consider the entire life of the vehicle (and seriously, coal?).

> The number of launched would have to increase by 1000 times to start approaching the airline industry

Which is the goal of SpaceX and every other company going in the space business, right?

> it's possible to synthesize the fuel from CO2 in the atmosphere using carbon free energy, creating a closed loop.

At scale, I very much doubt it remotely adds up. And all the carbon free energy you use to do that, you don't use it to replace fossil fuels elsewhere. It just doesn't work.

> It doesn't work like that. You can't just say "let's build more public transport" and it will magically happen tomorrow.

Fair enough. On the one hand you need less companies like Tesla and SpaceX, and more public investment into transport infrastructure.

> As an added bonus, building up an EV production line allows you to relatively easily export them to other markets around the world. You can't export a rail line to another place.

That is an interesting, US-centered approach. First, all the countries that have good public transports should just not import Teslas. Because those countries don't depend that much on cars, they can just improve their public transport infrastructures.

Maybe the US could learn a bit from those countries when they look into their public transports ;-).

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I appreciate this considerably more nuanced and thoughtful view of the modern history of Twitter. So much coverage of Twitter since the Musk acquisition is entangled with partisan politics, ultimately in part thanks to Musk provoking such a reaction. That makes this post feel ever more illuminating and thoughtful—it avoids the partisan pitfalls and irrational extremism seen in virtually every other article on the top…

> The incessant lazy about how Twitter is dying, for either technical or other reasons. I'm absolutely shocked by the appetite people have for weekly stories proclaiming that their enemy is on the verge of being vanquished. So angry, and so incoherent and belligerent when confronted or even ignored. This is a person, not a demon. Also, a person with fairly median-of-the-road politics. He's gross because he's rich and…

Just like the daily articles I see proclaiming “Ukrainian counteroffensive will take Moscow by the end of the week” or “Putin will have Zelensky’s head on a pike for CNN’s cameras tomorrow”.

When the reality is that nothing much is happening aside from Ukraine slowly getting put through the meat grinder, and we likely won’t see any major action until mid-next year as the weather changes.

People have a psychological thirst for “bad” people to be punished, and by golly it had best happen now.

Re: Epilogue of my time working at Twitter

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This right here is the million dollar question. I spent years following the Tesla drama and watching subs like /r/realTesla tear into Tesla's decisions. This sub was filled with "industry people" and well the naysayers have been screaming from the tops of hills since 2010 about Teslas mistakes. Most people ignored them because they are not in the auto industry. This quote from Bob Lutz explained it perfectly: https:/…

> Now we have incumbents copying Tesla's approaches to solving some problems. Though not building cars in tents, to the best of my knowledge.

It baffles the mind how they continue to stumble with manufacturing while continuing to deliver innovative engineering at the same time.

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"At times it seemed he trusted random feedback more than the people in the room who spent their lives dedicated to tackling the problem at hand." But also "Twitter moved at the speed of molasses and suffered from bureaucracy" I think this blog points at a common issue in the tech world. Many want to have a hand in the majority of decisions, but also deride at how slowly things end up moving. It's very hard to have it…

It seems like the author really just wants their ideas to be listened to without having to put the political effort into making them listened to. Previously that effort was playing the bureaucracy and now that effort was kissing up to Musk.

Problem is it shouldn't be a political issue. But so often it becomes so instead of people listening with an open mind.

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It's cargo cult intellectualism. Too often people believe that if they write and think in a detached and dispassionate way that their approach is intrinsically superior. Terms like "partisan pitfalls" and "irrational extremism" stake a claim that these things this person disagrees with are inherently bad. As you say, we don't need a nuanced take on the "difficulty" of tolerance for intolerance. This is a solved probl…

> I'm not going to psychologically diagnose someone from afar, but I suspect she needs help of the type neither Musk nor Twitter nor Hackernews can provide. I'm not a fan of this flavor of discourse, and frankly find it offensive. But I will tolerate it.

I appreciate your callout, and recognize my callousness. However, I think I can clarify it somewhat.

This is a person who formed an early part of her internet identity as an "escaper from a cult". She wrote articles about her time in a cult, and how she didn't realize she was in it until she got out.

Then Musk bought twitter, fired thousands, and she excitedly posted pictures of herself sleeping in the office, and for a few weeks was Musk's primary mouthpiece on Twitter about upcoming changes, posting product updates first.

Then he fired her too.

Some people have addictive personalities and is why they have to learn to go cold turkey from any type of addictive stimulant. Some find it so difficult to escape that they simply must replace one habit for another (a lot of recovered heroin addicts end up smokers).

Likewise, there are certain mental and personality attributes that make some people more susceptible to cults. Proper cults, or even more societally acceptable ones like religion or multi-level marketing.

The author has a demonstrated track record of this, and as such is difficult to see as an impartial observer of her time at Twitter because it is necessarily coloured by this lens.

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It's cargo cult intellectualism. Too often people believe that if they write and think in a detached and dispassionate way that their approach is intrinsically superior. Terms like "partisan pitfalls" and "irrational extremism" stake a claim that these things this person disagrees with are inherently bad. As you say, we don't need a nuanced take on the "difficulty" of tolerance for intolerance. This is a solved probl…

I can't quite articulate it, but I find the Paradox of Intolerance to be wrong (or at least, incomplete). It seems to me that, in the context of Popper's idea, what should be tolerated vs. what should not can be largely subjective and is often just weaponized against ideological opponents. And yet, it's also self-evidently true at the margins -- we cannot tolerate Nazism or those who call for ethnic cleansing and so…

I think you articulated it quite well, and I hope you see this reply so we could continue talking about it.

I also am very uncomfortable with it, because like many progressive ideas like this that are based on value-based judgement it is susceptible to be abused by anyone with different values. (Even, in the extreme case, by actual Nazis who may claim that ethnic cleansing and racial purity IS a moral virtue that is worth pursuing).

I also don't know how to draw the line, but I would proclaim that it's fine to draw A line. The truth is there is no such thing as a universal human common sense on such things. Countries and societies and patterns draw out of the median expectations of that society. Some cultures are more collective and collaborative, some are more individualistic.

Which is why in the US, free speech is considered more sacred than stopping Holocaust denial propaganda. But most of the developed world believes otherwise. I see both perspectives (and am personally in the latter camp, because I believe nuance is important and the US seeks very harsh lines in the sand that I don't think are practical)

So I don't think there is a universal answer for what you can or cannot choose to Intolerate (not a word?). Canada is typically closer to the US with its perspectives on the subject than Western Europe, but it also bans holocaust denial, and considers deliberate denial of trans people's preferred gender identity as the same class of discrimination as against gay people or black people. Yet in the most recent years the conservatives have settled in a very comfortable sweet spot of hate speech that isn't illegal but not supported by most Canadians. It's the same message as in the US - the whole "Trans people are pedophile groomers", and we are wrestling with what its doing to our society. For Canada, Jordan Peterson IS quite extreme. He started with occasional nuanced takes on male vs female gender roles, and a thought-provoking (even if i ultimately disagreed with him) conversation about whether recognition of pronouns was "compelled speech". But at this point, even you must admit that he's embraced the full wing of the American internet-savvy right wing.

Which is where we come to my last point - Shapiro, Walsh, and Peterson may be within the American "mainstream" but American mainstream is wildly outlandish compared to the rest of the world. It's hard to treat the Republican party as a serious group of voters when 54% of them would still gladly vote for Donald Trump today after everything that's happened over the last 7 years.

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It's cargo cult intellectualism. Too often people believe that if they write and think in a detached and dispassionate way that their approach is intrinsically superior. Terms like "partisan pitfalls" and "irrational extremism" stake a claim that these things this person disagrees with are inherently bad. As you say, we don't need a nuanced take on the "difficulty" of tolerance for intolerance. This is a solved probl…

1. The paradox of tolerance is itself a paradox. None of the modern "solutions" embraced by partisans (most notably, the complete abandonment of tolerance) are anywhere close to a real solution. 2. On one hand, you accuse the GP of cargo cult intellectualism, on the other hand, you "did not" psychologically diagnose the OP.

1. It doesn't proclaim to be a solution. It just points out the counterintuitive outcome of unfiltered tolerance leads to authoritarianism and intolerance.

And as you point out, the "solutions" are themselves intolerant, and if abused or do not match the expectations of the rest of the populace, also create something that feels like authoritarianism and intolerance to some of the population.

When confronted with this conclusion, you have two options:

A) Decide that authoritarianism and intolerance is inevitable, and simply aim to be on the right side of repression, aligning yourself with whoever is the most powerful and violent.

B) Try to understand what level of intolerance is the relevant acceptable one for the majority of your culture/population, and strive to find a balance, even if it's not the balance a different culture/people's/nation on the other side of the planet would take.

I choose Not A.

2. I responded to this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37015214

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