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Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by myshpa »

Ygg2 wrote: post #139
myshpa wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such a load of bull. I'm sick of people ignoring the science. Educate yourself before writing anything next time. It's clear as day you're wrong. It's the most impactful thing you can as an individual do. We need to stop fossil fuels asap, stop animal ag (deforestation, pollution, biodiversity loss, etc.), reform agriculture (soils, biodiversity, poisons) and start reforesting/afforesting. There are tons of studies t…

> Such a load of bull. I'm sick of people ignoring the science. Educate yourself before writing anything next time What are chances that everyone globally will just switch to vegan diet to save on CO2 before 2050 or whatever end date? My fair estimate is zero. It's like wishing people aren't lazy or corrupt or that are more honest. To quote the poet "You don't get what you want".

Animal ag. is the leading culprit of the mess we're in (together with fossil fuels, ofc). The reason nobody at political level talks about it is because they feel it's a political suicide.

If there was a significant portion of the population with changed habits (and numbers of vegans and vegetarians are rising fast in the last few years, so much that it's affecting sales of meat and dairy already), the abolishing of animal ag subsidies will be much more probable.

Then without subsidies the reduction in consumption is automatic - the price would take care of that. 90% (IIRC) of corporate profits in animal ag comes from subsidies.

Otherwise ... to quote the poet ... "You'll get what you don't want".

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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_l4jh wrote: post #94

Anecdotal story time. We have a family villa in Spain about an hour and a half south of Alicante. We just got back from two weeks there like we do every year. The heat and humidity this time was the first time it was too much so that we didn’t enjoy our time there. We’ve had this place 21 years. Yes it’s Spain and it’s always hot which is why we bought it but this year was something else. The mix of both very high te…

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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by johnnyworker »

seu wrote: post #17
H8crilA wrote: post #4

At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…

> At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? You mean, like, switching to a vegan diet, using public transport and stop flying? Those seem radical enough for most people in the Northern Hemisphere. > Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? Weird world, one in which people can consider drastically chan…

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/carbon-emissions-ric...

Speaking of flying, some billionaires have a second jet scouting ahead for air pockets. Remember Macron slyly taking off his watch under the table as he preached austerity? As much as I am frustrated by the apathy and short-sightedness of people, it's hard to blame them when those could so easily go first instead just consolidate and line their pockets where they can, to prepare for a crash they help make unavoidable that way. With private bunkers and going to Mars and freezing themselves and stuff that is so much derpier, less rational, so much more alienated, than some average person thinking they'd like to see the ocean one more time, so fuck it, they'll book a flight.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by myshpa »

osullip wrote: post #100
Ekaros wrote: post #93

I wonder if we should instead embrace the climate change. We know that no one will accept stopping rising standards of living or even lowering them. As such we are not going to emit less in long run. Can we instead of make some changes on local level that effectively work with the climate change or minimise the impact? Might mean need to abandon some locations, but there has always been population movements.

That's a good point. We are not turning back the systems that will heat the world. If we approach it as a local challenge, there is a chance we can invent new ways to deal with it. Maybe instead of this being the end, it could be a beginning of new science and development that counters the negative impacts of change. Maybe, just maybe, we can get some good out of it.

Do we really want to live and grow our food underground, wear pressurized spacesuits while on the surface, make our air from algae vats, build our villages under big domes?

How many would be able to live like this, how many would die until we would get to this point, and do we really want this?

The problem is the overconsumption and overpollution. That's the only problem.

Nothing good would come from your proposed solution, imho.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by myshpa »

vkou wrote: post #97
Ekaros wrote: post #93

I wonder if we should instead embrace the climate change. We know that no one will accept stopping rising standards of living or even lowering them. As such we are not going to emit less in long run. Can we instead of make some changes on local level that effectively work with the climate change or minimise the impact? Might mean need to abandon some locations, but there has always been population movements.

> Can we instead of make some changes on local level that effectively work with the climate change or minimise the impact? We can always get our towns ready to receive the millions of climate refugees we'll be creating.

Towns have no future in a collapse. Too hot, too water/fossil fuel dependent, too unsustainable.

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Post by tuatoru »

noduerme wrote: post #88
psychphysic wrote: post #61

No one is really interested in doing the work to slow global warming. - Build nuclear power plants everywhere . Yes even in countries like Iran and North Korea - Don't subsidize fossil fuel use by any mechanism. Yes dropping the Russian fuel cap. - Make reducing emissions a priority that means it comes first in consideration. Yes ahead of Uighurs in China, Women in Iran and Afghanistan. You will not get everything yo…

Just stop having babies.

Just stop othering the problem.

Look in the mirror. Have you been on a plane? Do you use motor transport? Does your home have electricity? The problem is you, not some baby in a country where people consume in a year what an American does in a day.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by eimrine »

Aerroon wrote: post #135
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems disingenuous when the climate catastrophe is going to have far greater effects on modern life. Too many people are clinging to the dream of continuing to dig out and burn as much oil as possible when it's clear that that behaviour is not sustainable. Although personal responsibility is never a bad thing, we need to focus on the big companies that have been deliberately hiding climate science for decades -…

People don't dream about burning more oil, they dream about the quality of life that this process affords us. Things like uninterrupted power, (uninterrupted) running water, cleaner water, the internet, cheap food, enough food (fertilizers/Haber-Bosch process), accessible transportation, economies of scale etc. While few of these things require fossil fuels, fossil fuels are nevertheless the reason why these things a…

This is the best anti-green argumentation I have ever seen. This is what a drop of water thinks about, which never considers itself a part of tsunami.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by myshpa »

dbs wrote: post #31
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should take note that even now we have companies pushing back against any changes to our oil consumption. They're literally intent on destroying our way of life to get a bit more profit.

Source?

It's not just fossil fuels.

"The factory of ignorance": Arte tells about these industrialists who manipulate science

https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2021-02-23-%0A---%22the-fa...

Inside big beef’s climate messaging machine: confuse, defend and downplay

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-ind...

Why Right-Wingers Are So Afraid of Men Eating Vegetables

https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-cric...

The meat industry is borrowing tactics from Big Oil to obfuscate the truth about climate change

https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrow...

Why the media too often ignores the connection between climate change and meat

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23778399/media-ignores-cl...

How Big Oil is manipulating the way you think about climate change

https://www.salon.com/2023/05/13/how-big-oil-is-manipulating...

Disinformation and lies are spreading faster than Australia's bushfires

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/12/disin...

Rightwing war on ‘woke capitalism’ partly driven by fossil fuel interests and allies

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/22/rightwing-wa...

Senate Hearing Exposes 'Insidious' Dark Money Network Fueling Climate Crisis

https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-dark-money-climate

Report: 1,500 Big Oil Lobbyists “Double Agents” for Supposed Climate Champions

https://truthout.org/articles/report-1500-big-oil-lobbyists-...

Chemical industry used big tobacco’s tactics to conceal evidence of PFAS risks

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/07/pfas-3m-...

Analysis: Most research on PFAS harms is unpublicized

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/995593

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by tuatoru »

H8crilA wrote: post #4

At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…

Accelerated weathering of olivine mineral rocks is the easy, safe way to cool the planet. Mine 'em, crush 'em fine, spread the dust in the ocean.

The numbers say that even if the whole operation was powered by coal, it'd sequester 20 times as much CO2 as it generated. Use natural gas or other electricity generation for some of it, and the ratio improves dramatically.

Costs less than a $trillion a year which is one percent of global GDP.

Edit: it's the easy, safe, cheap thing to do; and we won't do it.

1. https://worksinprogress.co/issue/olivine-weathering

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by H8crilA »

bmitc wrote: post #47
H8crilA wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever heard of poorer countries? Do you think that over the next decades they'll pursue basic life luxuries such as hospitals, brick and concrete houses, steel reinforced cities, asphalt roads, a car per family? It helps to look at world's energy production and consumption breakdowns.

I'm not sure what your point is or what you're responding to.

To the comment above. The point is that fewer widgets is not going to cut it unless you force the poor countries to stay poor.

I assumed people know world's energy consumption breakdown (cement, food, heating, electrical energy, chemical processes, ...), and what does that imply if most of the world catches up to more or less developed levels. If not I recommend starting education there.

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