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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by Mindwipe »

hunter2_ wrote: post #101
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... here's the dumb thing. The DASH-like manner (or, "rolling cipher" as they like to call it) has currently held up as being an effective protection measure. It comes up all the time when RIAA in particular sues YouTube stream-rippers. https://torrentfreak.com/deciphering-youtubes-rolling-cypher...

Very interesting. I feel like any type of digital storage or transmission format (PCM audio formats like CD Audio, packet switched networks like Internet Protocol, etc.) could also be described thusly, given that a typical human can't readily consume it. We use a tool that parses it using some algorithm, not a tool that avoids/breaks the algorithm. The error correction of a CD or the sequence number of a packet surel…

The difference is also intent.

YouTube implemented the rolling cypher to satisfy music industry demands that the files were not permanently downloadable (and it appears they were able to provide abundant evidence that Google has communicated that to them in court, I don't think this is a controversial point).

That wasn't the point of the red book spec.

Intent matters significantly, legally.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by vasco »

p-e-w wrote: post #102
GordonFremen wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but the DMCA is an American law. It's irrelevant in France.

The only countries where American law is irrelevant are Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran. Go anywhere else, and on closer examination you'll find that American law is in fact very relevant, with local governments often bending over backwards to accommodate US legal provisions. Copyright, financial regulation, and international travel are some of the areas where this is usually apparent, but far from the only ones…

Biggest army in the world, also the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2. This is something europeans forget when complaining about "outsized" US influence but then also don't invest in defense and keep being safe just by the grace of the US. This comes with a price.

PS: I'm from europe

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by JodieBenitez »

Kuinox wrote: post #75
wkat4242 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The French invented the word chauvinism :) They take their language very seriously likewise. I work for a French company and even though the official language is English you're kind of a second rate citizen if you don't speak it. Or write last names in all caps or quotation marks like > :) They just are that way :P

> Or write last names in all caps or quotation marks like > :) Things we don't do much anymore in France.

Only because most text editors suck.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by dtech »

justinclift wrote: post #76
bragr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What aspect of the YouTube servers' behavior can be construed as an effective access control? Is there even a rudimentary secret My understanding is that YouTube does implement a trivial sort of DRM/encoding with a rolling cypher to the actual location of video file. This is what tools like youtube-dl implement, and what get their DCMA from the RIAA. It's supposedly very light weight in terms of DRM, and notably I d…

> YouTube does implement a trivial sort of DRM/encoding Nope. Youtube break their streams up into a number of tiny pieces so they can adjust bandwidth dynamically extremely easily. It's just the RIAA and friends looking for an excuse, so they've attempted (and likely will continue attempting) to make people believe that's "sort form of DRM". Don't get fooled by their bullshit.

Iirc correctly the youtube-dl thing was about an additional layer of "protection" that was only used for music video's and the like

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by rocqua »

justinclift wrote: post #76
bragr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What aspect of the YouTube servers' behavior can be construed as an effective access control? Is there even a rudimentary secret My understanding is that YouTube does implement a trivial sort of DRM/encoding with a rolling cypher to the actual location of video file. This is what tools like youtube-dl implement, and what get their DCMA from the RIAA. It's supposedly very light weight in terms of DRM, and notably I d…

> YouTube does implement a trivial sort of DRM/encoding Nope. Youtube break their streams up into a number of tiny pieces so they can adjust bandwidth dynamically extremely easily. It's just the RIAA and friends looking for an excuse, so they've attempted (and likely will continue attempting) to make people believe that's "sort form of DRM". Don't get fooled by their bullshit.

As I understand the 'cipher' is in how you find the next tiny piece of stream. I haven't grasped fully how that works for Youtube but it is certainly more than 'increment a counter'. I believe it is something like 'read a variable in the previous packet and decode it'.

If they wanted any semblance of an argument, decoding that variable should require a session key that is set on log-in or after a captcha. But I doubt they do that, it would be a horrible hassle to handle the session dependant encoding.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by sealeck »

zirgs wrote: post #137
p-e-w wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only countries where American law is irrelevant are Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran. Go anywhere else, and on closer examination you'll find that American law is in fact very relevant, with local governments often bending over backwards to accommodate US legal provisions. Copyright, financial regulation, and international travel are some of the areas where this is usually apparent, but far from the only ones…

This is the problem with the so-called "multipolar world". There aren't any other democratic poles. So - if you're a dissident or a whistleblower and you're too high-profile - you have nowhwere to go. Snowden has to live in Russia, because pretty much all Western countries would put him on the first plane to the USA if he ever tried to enter. My country extradites even our own citizens to the USA.

And then you get countries like France where they refuse to extradite probable child sex offenders.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by sealeck »

Foobar8568 wrote: post #110
wkat4242 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The French invented the word chauvinism :) They take their language very seriously likewise. I work for a French company and even though the official language is English you're kind of a second rate citizen if you don't speak it. Or write last names in all caps or quotation marks like > :) They just are that way :P

And if you ever work in any other countries, you would see the same in different language. Work in a Swiss company? Hope you enjoy German. At one stage, French people has to stop this self deprecating and think elsewhere is much better and only French does this or that. It is not.

Depends on the Swiss company – some speak French!

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by 1317 »

hospitalJail wrote: post #15
talldatethrow wrote: post #8

I just installed the app. Thanks Google.

I learned about Fdroid because of something like this. Then I learned about Bromium(which is obsolete today, but was a great browser with adblock support)

What happened to it?

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by aembleton »

hathym wrote: post #135

www.microsoft.com and play.google.com are also listed in the DMCA take down list :D https://lumendatabase.org/notices/34149383#

I've just got the full URLs. Microsoft is for https://www.microsoft.com/store/apps/9PM4ZSJWHFHS so I guess it was some app they wanted removing from the store and play.google.com was for a video downloader: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=video.download...

Full list:

    https://yt1s.mobi/en88/
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    https://yt1s.youtubemini.com/
    https://y2mate.tools/en59ac/yt1s.html
    https://aulavirtual.ins.gob.pe/blog/index.php?entryid=5488
    https://www.facebook.com/105111868246057/posts/httpsyt1scomfor-mp3-httpsmp3downycom/105114161579161/
    https://soundcloud.com/jameshaskins928/yt1s-com-richboytroy-beginning/sets
    https://yt1s.info/
    https://www.similarweb.com/website/yt1s.com/competitors/
    https://www.saashub.com/compare-yt1s-ltd-vs-youtube-video-and-audio-downloader?ref=sidebar
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/yt1s/
    https://xranks.com/alternative/yt1s.online
    https://qnnit.com/yt1s/
    https://www.trustpilot.com/review/yt1s.com
    https://m.apkpure.com/yt1s/com.technologygateway.video_downloader
    https://b.trafo.no/6d/yt1-youtube-downloader/pages
    https://www.cyclonis.com/es/is-yt1s-com-safe-to-use/
    https://yt1s.works/ena/
    https://nz.trustpilot.com/review/yt1s.com
    https://us.host-tools.com/website-status/yt1s.com/http
    https://en.y2mate.is/266/
    https://ssyoutube.com/en620/
    https://snapsave.io/en45
    https://save-from.net/en19/youtube-video-downloader
    https://gotranscript.com/youtube-downloader
    https://y2mate.tools/en59ac/
    https://tubemate.net/
    https://www.freemake.com/free_video_downloader_paradisiac/
    https://yt-convert.com/en20
    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-downloader-professi/elicpjhcidhpjomhibiffojpinpmmpil?hl=en
    https://www.softwaretestinghelp.com/free-youtube-video-downloader/
    https://www.dvdvideosoft.com/free-youtube-download-en2
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-download/
    https://www.vlogr.com/features/youtube-downloader/
    https://newpipe.net/
    https://ytshorts.savetube.me/3
    https://www.youtubedownloaderhd.com/download.html
    https://ytmp3.nu/58c/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_YouTube_downloaders
    https://ytmp3.nu/CeFA/
    https://ytgoconverter.com/en_us/youtube-to-mp3-converter24/
    https://tomp3.cc/ent77no
    https://x2download.app/en69/download-youtube-to-mp3
    https://ytmp3.cc/2e8/
    https://listenvid.net/us_131f1/
    https://savemp3.net/9vpv2/
    https://yt5s.io/en82/youtube-to-mp3
    https://yt-convert.com/youtube-to-mp3-20
    http://wiki.coursemerchant.com/6d/youtube-to-mp3-converter/pages
    https://www.movavi.com/learning-portal/best-youtube-to-mp3-converter.html
    https://www.getsubly.com/post/youtube-to-mp3-converter
    https://techjury.net/best/youtube-to-mp3-converter/
    https://www.dvdvideosoft.com/en11
    https://yt1s.mobi/en69/youtube-to-mp4/
    https://4kdownload.to/en1/
    https://y2mate.tools/en59ae/youtube-mp4
    https://notube.site/es/youtube-app-v52
    https://www.ytbvideoly.com/d7-youtube-to-mp4/
    https://10downloader.com/en/62/youtube-to-mp4-converter
    https://www-ytmp4.com/
    https://ytmp4.tube/
    https://yt1s.de/youtube-to-mp4?l=en18
    https://plugin.crimple.co.uk/z/ms/x7v/youtube-converter-mp4-converter/pages
    https://x2download.app/en77
    https://en.savefrom.net/21-youtube-to-mp4-1.html
    https://ytmp4converter.com/en/
    https://youtube4kdownloader.com/en71/download-youtube-4k-mp4.html
    https://y2mate.la/download-yt-to-mp4-en1/
    https://yt-convert.com/youtube-to-mp4-20
    https://ytmp4.top/en1/
    https://ssyoutube.com/en623/
    https://ssyoutube.com/en624/
    https://ssyoutube.com/en625/
    https://ssyoutube.com/en626/
    https://www.4kdownload.com/products/videodownloader-29
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=video.downloader.videodownloader&hl=en&gl=US
    https://www.microsoft.com/store/apps/9PM4ZSJWHFHS
    https://y2mate.com.co/en6
    https://givefastlink.com/allvideo/
    https://www.yt2conv.com/youtube-downloader-53/
    https://addoncrop.com/v17/youtube-downloader/
    https://ytshorts.savetube.me/
    https://youtube4kdownloader.com/en71/cut-youtube-video.html
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