France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

Post by freedomben » Thu, Jul 06, 2023, 2:48 PM UTC

dathinab wrote: post #100

karaterobot wrote: post #11

> But lawmakers agreed to the bill late Wednesday as Justice Minister Eric Dupond-Moretti insisted the bill would affect only “dozens of cases a year.” Technically he is not lying or naive, because any number, including large numbers like 66 million, can be expressed in units of dozens.

it most likely really will only be a small number of cases BUT that doesn't matter it being abused against just one or two times in very important contexts (political, human right activists, etc.) can already be a major negative impact for laws like that the "it's just a few" argument was always worthless even if true

Post by galangalalgol » Thu, Jul 06, 2023, 2:49 PM UTC

Infinity315 wrote: post #67

andy_ppp wrote: post #39

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My experience with the police has been universally terrible. They think they are above the law and trusting them to do the right thing or “tell the truth and you’ll be fine” is extremely bad advice. Get a lawyer and be very careful around these people is my more nuanced take on them. Edit: I commented before you made your answer more nuanced so I’ve changed mine too.

The vast majority of interactions with police are peaceful and relatively mundane. Your view of police seems to be only informed by videos you see online. The only interactions you see with police online are either extremely wholesome or extremely hostile. The mundane and boring interactions with police don't get seen, because they are boring and not at all noteworthy because it is standard.

Post by input_sh » Thu, Jul 06, 2023, 2:50 PM UTC

filoleg wrote: post #53

input_sh wrote: post #25

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Absolutely not. It's a profession, every cop out there can just... not be a cop. Comparing that to skin color or someone's ethnicity is absolutely ridiculous.

> It's a profession, every cop out there can just... not be a cop. Yeah, and every coal miner can just stop complaining about tough working conditions and decreasing number of jobs in their field, and instead learn how to code. It is that simple[0]. 0. https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/47...

Post by baby-yoda » Thu, Jul 06, 2023, 2:50 PM UTC

lloeki wrote: post #68

sixhobbits wrote: post #3

what tech does this even use? Do they mean using Pegasus or similar malware that the govt has to first get onto the suspect's devices, or is this via Google/Apple or the device manufacturers that makes 'remotely and secretly activating a microphone' even possible?

Is this even possible on an iPhone? My memory may be failing me or confusing things so please correct me, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the baseband lives segregated (with only a narrow communication cannel, kinda as if it were a remote machine) from the remainder of the hardware, so while it could be made to run stuff itself it has no way to physically access to main cpu, ram, mic, nor cams (barring, o…

Post by ibejoeb » Thu, Jul 06, 2023, 2:51 PM UTC

debacle wrote: post #4

> They noted that a judge must approve any use of the provision We tried the same in the US. Our intel agencies just lied to the judges, who mostly otherwise were hip to the con and acted as a rubber stamp.