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Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by anigbrowl »

dang wrote: post #129
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #3

This is gender affirming care.

" Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we already asked you once to stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait, and your account has unfortunately continued to do this. We end up having to ban such accounts because this is not what this site is for and destroys what it is for. I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please review the guidelines and sti…

It's not flamebait. This perspective is widespread and discussed with nuance in the fitness community, and also in the medical community, eg https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37285414/

It's in no way a controversial or baity observation.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by anigbrowl »

ravenstine wrote: post #13
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #3

This is gender affirming care.

I'd be willing to bet a substantial number of these men wouldn't take steroids if society/women didn't reward them for having a chiseled (and often times unnatural) aesthetic, so considering it gender affirming care is a stretch in the general sense.

Gay/bi youth are estimated to abuse steroids about 5-6 times as much as exclusively heterosexual boys. I don't know what % of the fitness community are gay, but it's A Lot, more so in the bodybuilding/powerlifting demographic vs general athletics. Hypermasculinity and homo/bisexuality have been culturally intertwined for millennia, the Iliad is centered on just such a relationship.

EDIT: forgot the link to the study in question https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3934340/

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by anigbrowl »

ravenstine wrote: post #115
EliRivers wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only tangential to the theme, but continuing your thought, in my experience the rewards for having a chiselled aesthetic comes more from men than women. It's a status marker amongst (some groups of) men. The heavily muscled male look is more of a male fantasy than female.

I agree that there are feedback loops. There are also things that women do which some speculate are motivated more by the feedback of other women than of men. > The heavily muscled male look is more of a male fantasy than female. Visit your local bookstore (if there still is one!) and tell me what the men on the covers of those romance novels look like.

Depends on the romance novels. Some women want Fabio, others want a sexy doctor or a vampire. Certainly lots of women do want hunky guys, but the gay community has had a whole taxonomy of sexy body types for decades through physique magazines and the like.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

tryhtgyt wrote: post #137
pessimizer wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you think that comparing a trans man who wants to take testosterone to feel more like a man to a biological male who wants to take testosterone to feel more like a man is silly or deceptive.

If a woman wants to take testosterone to deepen her voice and change her hair pattern, that's up to her, but she'll never be a man. Let's be realistic here.

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Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by symlinkk »

jejeyyy77 wrote: post #55
nkozyra wrote: post #4

TRT is now a fully embedded thing in the United States so this isn't totally surprising. I've talked to way too many 20 year olds who get cypionate from a doc in the box who manages to find "low T" It's just so easy now. And if you need it, great. But for a lot of people it's just a way to boost T for athletic/aesthetic reasons without a ton of attention to the health side of it. The risks are generally low, but boos…

what are the health risks?

I was told your own body stops producing testosterone and this is permanent. So you are signing up to get injections in your ass once a week for the rest of your life. No idea if this is actually true though, I find it hard to believe personally as many bodybuilders will cycle on and off steroids constantly.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by dang »

anigbrowl wrote: post #141
dang wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we already asked you once to stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait, and your account has unfortunately continued to do this. We end up having to ban such accounts because this is not what this site is for and destroys what it is for. I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please review the guidelines and sti…

It's not flamebait. This perspective is widespread and discussed with nuance in the fitness community, and also in the medical community, eg https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37285414/ It's in no way a controversial or baity observation.

In that case it needed more information to disambiguate from flamebait. Especially since the account has a history thereof.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by dirtyid »

nkozyra wrote: post #4

TRT is now a fully embedded thing in the United States so this isn't totally surprising. I've talked to way too many 20 year olds who get cypionate from a doc in the box who manages to find "low T" It's just so easy now. And if you need it, great. But for a lot of people it's just a way to boost T for athletic/aesthetic reasons without a ton of attention to the health side of it. The risks are generally low, but boos…

Yeah usage from early 20s group at my gym significantly higher than 10 years ago. But also lots of unimpressive results due to poor training or weak T responders.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by anigbrowl »

dang wrote: post #146
anigbrowl wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not flamebait. This perspective is widespread and discussed with nuance in the fitness community, and also in the medical community, eg https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37285414/ It's in no way a controversial or baity observation.

In that case it needed more information to disambiguate from flamebait. Especially since the account has a history thereof.

Have you considered the possibility that many people posting in this thread are sufficiently interested in physical culture to already know about this point of view? Anyone who reads weightlifting forums where steroids are likely to be discussed already encounters this idea on a daily basis.

I get that it's a new concept for you, but your assumption was misplaced.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by mmh0000 »

satysin wrote: post #136
JPws_Prntr_Fngr wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know if I will jump on TRT as it does worry me a little bit. There is no such thing as side effect free HRT after all... Brother, it sounds like your life is made of horrendous side effects. I am just a random internet commenter, not a doctor, but I am a fellow man. And if there were ever a time to ignore your fear and roll the dice, it's now.

You're not wrong and my wife certainly shares your opinion too! I am naturally a bit of a worrier about "big" medication regimes like TRT and I over research and over think everything which is obviously not a great thing when it comes to medicine as everything has side effects. I am slowly starting to adjust my mindset with regards to trying TRT but I need to see what my results are to help me make a decision.

It is a decision, but, I wouldn't say it's a "big" one. It is possible to come off TRT, though it's a long ramp-down period. The TRT itself isn't really a hassle, I just poke myself in the butt twice a week. I've worked it into my morning routine: shave, shower, teeth, poke.

I was like you before I started TRT, super hesitant, and worried I would just be poisoning myself. A good friend of mine kept pushing me to try, and I can't say I have any regrets.

For me personally, I wouldn't want to come off TRT, I feel so much better consistently. IMHO, there are no downsides, at least none yet that I've experienced.

Re: Are one million people in the UK using anabolic steroids? (2022)

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Post by smcl »

anigbrowl wrote: post #142
ravenstine wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be willing to bet a substantial number of these men wouldn't take steroids if society/women didn't reward them for having a chiseled (and often times unnatural) aesthetic, so considering it gender affirming care is a stretch in the general sense.

Gay/bi youth are estimated to abuse steroids about 5-6 times as much as exclusively heterosexual boys. I don't know what % of the fitness community are gay, but it's A Lot, more so in the bodybuilding/powerlifting demographic vs general athletics. Hypermasculinity and homo/bisexuality have been culturally intertwined for millennia, the Iliad is centered on just such a relationship. EDIT: forgot the link to the study…

This is an interesting find and explains why “ravenstine” has sort of disappeared from this thread, having asserted that this use of steroids is simply down to men wanting to impress women (then doubling down in it, and sprinkling in some anti-trans stuff in to boot)
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