Interesting... what would an AI trained only on the Commons/public domain be like? Would it be a clean source for new images? And would new images need to inherit a public/Commons license (GPL style)?
I thought Adobe Firefly did that.
Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
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Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#142I'd wait for more information before making any assumptions about what Valve is doing here. So often these stories here are lacking context due to only one side trying to paint the situation in a very one-sided light.
Agreed. The link here here is to a Reddit post from an relatively unknown person claiming to be quoting a private email from Valve. Kotaku has a bit more reporting, including a second report from a developer on Reddit. Also some comments on skepticism. https://kotaku.com/valve-ai-art-generator-steam-crypto-ban-m... I'm pretty sure if this is Valve policy they'll have no trouble saying so publicly. I miss the old days…
To be fair there are still examples of quality journalism, it's just that the internet doesn't care as much for that content, as it doesn't generate the outrage present in this thread. Unfortunately the incentives are aligned with ad revenue instead of accuracy.
Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#143Why editorialize? "Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore" Your title changes the meaning- they didn't ban games afaict. It's also a misleading post, as it's specifically GenAI where authors can't prove or don't have rights to content. If you use ProcGen etc or have full rights to the data used, I can't imagine there would be any issues.
Yeah this seems like the title should be edited. @dang (not sure how to get his attention)
Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#144> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…
It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game.
Three possiblilities:
1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or generated by ChatGPT.
2. Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters)
3. Steam is banning any AI generated assets.
My bet is 1 > 2 > 3.
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Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#146After seeing that Unity Muse[0] AI presentation yesterday and the following backlash regarding the source material[1], this seems to be a huge legal minefield to be solved first.
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR4IuN2tF78
[1]: https://nitter.net/unitygames/status/1673650585860489217
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#147Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can ask you to say that you own all the relevant rights, and then if it turns out not to be true later they can say they don't know. Which seems like as much as you can hope for in a policy?
But how does this work for YouTube for example? People still upload copyrighted stuff, even if the ToS says you shouldn't.
The key is that it protects YouTube (and Valve in this case) since they can say “we weren’t allowing our users to upload copyrighted content but they snuck it in”
Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or maybe the developers of those games have given their assurance to Valve that they own all the relevant copyright, and therefore the same standard is being applied? > As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated assets, unless you can affirmatively confirm that you own the rights to all of the IP used in the data set that trained the AI to…
If they claimed that then they lied because we all know those games studios didn't train their own Image gen models without relying on the base SD models
Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. But if the developer is willing to sign a document saying they own the rights, that's probably good enough for Valve to feel their ass has been covered.
Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?
#150> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…
It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game. Three possiblilities: 1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or generated by ChatGPT. 2. Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) 3. Steam is banning any AI generated assets. My bet is 1 > 2 > 3.
I'd be less sure about that, Valve has taken stances for reasons of public demand and/or their personal ethical standards (depending on what you believe) before, for example the ban on Blockchain games.