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Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by martin8412 »

derefr wrote: post #85
evandale wrote: post #64

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This might be simplistic or ignorant - but does the essential core of crypto boil down to having a public trust ledger? Could a use case of crypto (and NFTs) be a replacement for PGP? This whole signing a physical product to prove it's official kind of sounds like PGP but I only have a 10000 foot view and don't know much about PGP other than you sign stuff and people can cryptographically verify that you actually sig…

> does the essential core of crypto boil down to having a public trust ledger? A blockchain is a public trust ledger that is uncensorable because everyone who wants to can get both a copy of a random sampling of the messages pushed to it (by p2p node gossip of the txpool) and then also a copy of the canonical state (by p2p gossip of the chain-head; the ability of nodes to fetch previous blocks by content-hash; and th…

"No, because the point is that you get to know who sold them the RAM chips that went into the device, because the RAM chip vendor digitally signed the sale of those chips to them, and their repair job "consumes" that item in their own digital inventory to convert one manifest (representing all the parts in a phone with bad RAM) into another manifest (representing all the parts in a phone with good RAM.) The provenance of the replaced RAM chips "travels within" the provenance of the repaired phone. It's a tree of component sourcing, not just a log of repairs."

Which they only do if they are already trustworthy. I don't trust them. At any point in the chain, a vendor/manufacturer can put whatever garbage they want on the chain because the chain can't interact with the real world, and for that reason, blockchain solves absolutely nothing in the space of supply-chain management.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by jacquesm »

danpalmer wrote: post #21
kiwiidb wrote: post #13

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The developer had a meeting with Apple representatives where they assured him that tipping profiles would be okay so he adjusted his app so people would tip profiles instead of posts. Then they still rejected the app.

Sure but reading the guidelines that Apple representative was clearly mistaken. Unless they said "we acknowledge what the guidelines say but they are incorrect", it just seems like poor developer relations comms (from Apple, never!). I can't find the bit from the dev you're referring to so don't know if they have screenshots of it in writing or something, however, what I suspect is more likely (based on my experience…

The Apple representative may have been mistaken, but they did represent Apple and as such have very clearly overruled the guidelines. It should have ended there.

The degree to which people will twist themselves into pretzels to defend mega-corps is something I find hard to understand, for this guy it is their life line and for Apple it is a non-issue. Apple doesn't get to hide behind their own guidelines if even their own representatives don't know them well enough to adequately represent the company.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by chongli »

sigmar wrote: post #115
newaccount74 wrote: post #107

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It sounds like that should be allowed. But I think that fulfilling button, stickers and t-shirts orders is pretty expensive, and only makes sense if people give big tips (eg. if someone tips 5€, there's not going to be much left after you pay someone to mail them a sticker).

"thank you for your button order. We expect to ship this order about 1 week after the heat death of the universe."

Or perhaps more realistically, tell them they can pick up their button when they come to meet you at the next DevCon.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by newaccount74 »

photonerd wrote: post #29
postalrat wrote: post #17

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Apple has a sizable share of the mobile market in the USA and EU and what they are doing goes well beyond what MS did in the past.

They have 31% of the market, not even a third. They’re not even in the same league as what MS was doing. At the time of the EU vs MS suit they had a 91% market share , and had only recently come down from a fraction over 95% THAT is why the EU took action. Apple isn’t in a monopoly position in phones at all , they’re not even the dominant OS. What they are, is the one that makes the most money.

You are right that Apple does not have a monopoly on phones. But that does not mean that their behaviour is not anti-competitive.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by newaccount74 »

error503 wrote: post #103
theshrike79 wrote: post #94

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Remember: everything you blame Apple of also applies to Sony (Playstation) and Microsoft (Xbox). Exact same thing. A phone isn't a "general computing device" like a PC any more than a gaming console is. So if Apple has to allow 3rd party stuff on their phones, it must be so for PS and Xbox too.

Good, I don't know why I should have a problem with that? Though I disagree that a phone is not a 'general computing device' moreso than a gaming console is, it is hard to come up with a legally-clear definition of one.

Yeah, a phone is definitely a "general computing device", while a video console arguably is not. But considering that you can watch Youtube on a Nintendo Switch, I think they should maybe be considered "general computing devices" as well.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by scotty79 »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #132
enragedcacti wrote: post #128

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I'm outside of the edit window on this comment otherwise I would make this more prominent, but way below in the "Other" section they do actually have a "monetary gift" rule that aligns with what the dev says: > (vii) Apps may enable individual users to give a monetary gift to another individual without using in-app purchase, provided that (a) the gift is a completely optional choice by the giver, and (b) 100% of the…

Considering that, the only other thing I could think Apple sees is that the tip partially goes to the developer, making (b) false. But then: https://twitter.com/damusapp/status/1673347949718548487 Seems like the developer has a strong case, assuming these statements are truthful.

> developer has a strong case

Strong case? Apple can change the rules tomorrow to whatever they want.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by newaccount74 »

lockhouse wrote: post #119
kibwen wrote: post #49

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This comment makes it sound like Apple shouldn't be forced to open up their hardware, but the better conclusion is that game consoles should be forced to open up their hardware. This is (allegedly) Hacker News, we should be all for giving people more control over the devices they (allegedly) own.

Just don’t buy closed devices if that’s what you want. There’s no shortage of open devices available to buy. Complaining about iPhones and game consoles being closed is like complaining that your Honda Civic isn’t good at off-roading and won’t tow your horse trailer.

> There’s no shortage of open devices available to buy.

I'd like an open device that supports iMessage and Facetime.

I don't understand why I should have to give up all the iOS software that I really like just because I want to run one app on my device that Apple doesn't allow.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by siwatanejo »

martin8412 wrote: post #140
siwatanejo wrote: post #48

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AFAIU the token is only needed in case you want to participate in the voting of governance events, related to the roadmap of the ENS project. You don't need ENS tokens to register or use ENS domains. IMO the token might be an illegal security indeed; and if that's the case I hope the SEC crushes them. But in the meantime I'll be using ENS names happily as a user and watch the events with popcorn. > but I don't see ho…

"It will prevent that a big corp with the court on their side redirect your domain-bought-in-a-complete-legit way to them." No, it will absolutely not. It does not matter what method of accounting or voting you use, you will be made to comply with a court order. If you don't comply, you're going to prison.

If the domain is bought anonymously, the court cannot notify the buyer; not to mention jurisdiction issues. Also, courts cannot reverse blockchain transactions.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by siwatanejo »

yieldcrv wrote: post #53
siwatanejo wrote: post #22

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Nail on the head, I think ENS/BNS entries are the only NFTs that are not scams, because they have utility.

Insurance coverage are NFTs, and liquidity pool records are NFTs there are other financials using that technology

I didn’t say there aren’t? What I said is that the domains are the only ones that are not scams.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by TillE »

jacquesm wrote: post #142
danpalmer wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but reading the guidelines that Apple representative was clearly mistaken. Unless they said "we acknowledge what the guidelines say but they are incorrect", it just seems like poor developer relations comms (from Apple, never!). I can't find the bit from the dev you're referring to so don't know if they have screenshots of it in writing or something, however, what I suspect is more likely (based on my experience…

The Apple representative may have been mistaken, but they did represent Apple and as such have very clearly overruled the guidelines. It should have ended there. The degree to which people will twist themselves into pretzels to defend mega-corps is something I find hard to understand, for this guy it is their life line and for Apple it is a non-issue. Apple doesn't get to hide behind their own guidelines if even thei…

It's unfortunate confusion, but a mistake from an employee is not a policy commitment. If Tim Cook said it, sure, but a low-level "representative" is just someone doing a job.
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