they just need to make a touchscreen display to have me all in
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Is this real? I've gone without a laptop for 6 months now due to RSI. If this is real, I might actually cry.
Yup! Here's an image of it: https://twitter.com/FrameworkPuter/status/164837189206213017... A split and thumb clusters would make it perfect, but I'll take what I can get.
A split and/or tilt is mandatory IMO. Without it, ortholinear keyboards are even less ergonomic than a regular staggered keyboard.
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I find battery life with linux in general pretty poor. It also struggles achieve any kind of reasonable hibernate/suspend. I can throw my macbook into a bag and pull out a week later with just a small battery draw down. I have never had a linux laptop that would not be completely dead in that scenario.
I find my macbook (M1, Air) achieves really good battery life when I'm actively using it as my main computer (so including sleep/hibernate) but extremely poor when I'm not. For example if I turn my Macbook completely off and leave it for a month, the batteries drained completely.
I've had the similar experiences with a 2017 Macbook Air at my previous job. Over time it got worse to the point it'd be at 100% when it suspends at the end of the day and then when I was back at work the next morning there was a 50:50 chance it'd be completely flat. I eventually had to get into the habit of plugging in my Macbook in the morning for ~5mins before starting it up to ensure it didn't try and start on 0% battery and promptly shutdown. The same machine would last all day (i.e. charged to 100% first thing in the morning and then disconnected from power and used on battery the rest of the day) which seems to rule out battery capacity issues. YMMV.
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#144Good detail hear about the process if making the case - really interesting to read. Injection molding semi-liquid magnesium seems…quite difficult to say the least! Tangentially, I wish there was some online resources for learning how best design for manufacture for things like laptops and cases. Contract CNC fabrication is really inexpensive these days until you need 10 iterations to fix your dumb mistakes.
Styrofoam. This is what auto body designers use to shape while designing forms.
Not sure why this is downvoted. Carving away styrofoam is a great way to see what the real world form of something will be, especially considering there's a good chance you can fish it out of your trash. And, a hot glue gun mean you can put pieces back!
For getting an idea, I like to play with clay, then move to CAD once something is fairly decided, with foam/cardboard mockups to get "real world" size feel. Then, a desk full of 3d printed mini versions, and then whatever final version.
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#145I find the battery life on my framework 13 really bad (ubuntu installed). There's some issue where the battery drains fairly quickly in suspend which requires enabling "deep sleep" mode, but it still drains a lot faster than other laptops I've had. And then the battery life in general isn't very good; I'd say ~2 hours at full brightness with some video streaming mixed in with normal browsing. I wonder if that's the s…
Spending a ton of time on brittle power configuration in order to get from “bad” to “meh”, and suspend never quite working properly, is part of the experience of owning a linux laptop. That’s the way it’s always been. Solutions include not caring, buying a mac, or buying windows and using WSL.
I've had suspend work perfectly using Debian on two separate Lenovo Thinkpads. No special config, just plain Debian works fine. Ironically I've had suspend issues on MacBooks. Even Windows isn't immune to suspend issues on the very same hardware Debian has zero issues with. YMMV.
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#147Me and many of my friends all have zombie Frankenstein desktops that perfectly illustrate why the Framework laptop both does and doesn't make sense.
I can understand why people with money to burn might not understand the limitations of trying to make a modular architecture work over the long term. Back in the day, dropping in an SSD represented a massive, relatively inexpensive upgrade. But, a desktop has cross-compatibility and flexibility primarily afforded by its massive size and weight. I'm not convinced these sorts of cross compatible upgrades will continue to surface into the future. And especially not on a laptop/mobile form factor.
Now, my desktop's IO ports are 2/3 fried. Its memory, motherboard, CPU, GPU, OS and hard drive are hopelessly outdated. It will never make sense to meaningfully upgrade it, upgrade would mean wholesale replacement of everything. I could keep the case and the CPU cooler, big whoop.
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Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)
How many people need a device that's both portable AND needs an external GPU? That's incredibly niche.
"has thunderbolt or full-fledged USB4" shouldn't be niche.
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Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)
How many people need a device that's both portable AND needs an external GPU? That's incredibly niche.
The nice thing about an eGPU is your portable becomes much more portable, since portables with reasonable GPUs are heavy, big, and hot. The bad thing about eGPUs is they're ~$250 on top of the GPU cost, which is a little to close to a second desktop PC.
I gave up and went with cloud (ShadowPC).
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PCIe is too physically large, Oculink is too thick and doesn't have enough pins for power, and Thunderbolt has protocol overhead and throughput limitations.
Yeah, sorry, no. Thunderbolt does have overhead and limitations, but imo those limitations don't justify making a new standard, even if it's more open than the others. Maybe you could say more about those limitations and convince me?
There are companies putting nonstandard PCIe ports on the outsides of laptops, and compared to that an internal custom port is much less egregious. 40Gbps is just not enough to run a GPU without significant performance loss. Especially when 40Gbps is actually 32Gbps of PCIe and on older controllers there's an arbitrary limit of 22Gbps.
I really hope thunderbolt 5 in asymmetrical mode can devote the entire 120Gbps of outgoing data to PCIe, and doesn't have some stupid limit like 64Gbps.
And when a new standard amounts to "arrange the pins like this", it's not a very big deal.