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Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mrguyorama »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #87
radarsat1 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about the social justice issues, but I've found that a growing problem with reddit is what I'll summarize as "the rules". I admit I'm much more of a lurker than a contributor, but I do post things from time to time. Comments fairly frequently in technical forums, and posts much less frequently, but when they are, they are either: 1) to show a project I did, or 2) to ask a technical question. Basically al…

You’re not crazy. Others have noticed the very same effect and felt disenfranchised by it. In some subreddits your post gets removed because the title didn’t end in a period. It results in subreddits full of boring recycled dreck, because the smart folks take their ball and go home.

Any subreddit that gets on "/all" regularly is owned by a few megamods, and their point is to make reddit money with advertising, not to be a useful community.

Even if they wanted to actually be a useful community, the tools mods get on reddit are woefully unfit for purpose for communities of millions of people. You cannot have a public forum with that many people. The human brain is just not built for it. Perfect moderation is impossible

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by comte7092 »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #51
deergomoo wrote: post #18

Good read. Interesting that the author’s takeaway is that folks consider Digg v4 to be a catastrophic launch because of the myriad technical issues. I don’t even remember there being technical issues, I just remember logging in one day to find a website I enjoyed replaced with a bunch of crap I wasn’t interested in.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

> It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy.

I’ve literally never had this problem. And I’ve commented on a multitude of subreddits for years.

Curious to see some concrete examples where your comments were framed in this manner.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by IanKerr »

cainxinth wrote: post #48

I still read Digg, along with HN, Reddit, slashdot, metafilter, lobste.rs, kottke, boing boing and many other sources of news and links. I’ve always been an information junkie. High brow, low brow, I don’t care. I want it all.

Sorry if it's too much to ask, but would you mind posting a list of your common sources? I'm familiar with everything you've posted, I'm always looking for new sites.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mrguyorama »

replygirl wrote: post #104
DirectorKrennic wrote: post #61

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Some recent things I was downvoted to oblivion on: - Mentioning buses in a thread about road wear - Warning people talking about vigilante justice that intentionally tricking/luring someone into committing a crime makes you an accomplice - Telling fellow trans people they can't equate Jim Crow with gendered bathroom stigma - Reminding fellow queer people that Anheuser-Busch are just trying to sell more beer

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by geenat »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #19
biorach wrote: post #3

> Our API server was a Python Tornado service... and one of the most frequently accessed endpoint was used to retrieve user by their name or id. Because it supported retrieval by either name or id, it set default values for both parameters as empty lists. This is a super reasonable thing to do! However, Python only initializes default parameters when the function is first evaluated, which means that the same list is…

Forget about production, how did this make it into python? This is so unbelievably stupid it makes PHP look like a sensible language.

This. Should have been taken out in Python 3, but nah, still present even today.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mrguyorama »

drumhead wrote: post #64
DirectorKrennic wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Its any view that they dont find acceptable however mild they may be. If you dont fit into their political world view you're likely to be banned. Discussion unless you subscribe the dominant viewpoints is almost impossible on reddit. Say something the majority dont like and you're downvoted into oblivion or banned. Literally the only place left where you can speak your mind without censure is sadly 4chan.

If people on 4chan don't like what you say, your post dies after about 15 minutes so I don't understand what your point about that is.

Which is worse, your post literally disappearing, or having a big negative number next to it. Which is less censorship?

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by strunz »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #97
afavour wrote: post #92

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I’ve also been a Redditor for well over a decade. While I miss the days when it was a smaller niche site (before the Digg implosion it was basically a nerdier, smaller Digg) I still use and enjoy the site plenty today. I have never been accused of being a racist transphobe whatever, if that’s your number one issue with the site maybe some inward reflection is in order? Just don’t get involved in political flamewars,…

I got banned from /r/CanadaCoronavirus for saying at the time we didn't yet know how many doses and on what schedule of the vaccine would be needed. Banned. That's anti-vaxx propaganda on my part, evidently. I messaged the mods to explain that I was triple-vaxxed and what I said was not only factually correct, it wasn't even controversial. The mods patiently replied that anti-vaxx trolls like me will be reported to r…

None of that sounds like you were called a "racist transphobe nazi homophobe" like you originally said. Funny how you picked an example of something to frame yourself as correct in the most "scientific" way possible instead.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by marginalia_nu »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #51
deergomoo wrote: post #18

Good read. Interesting that the author’s takeaway is that folks consider Digg v4 to be a catastrophic launch because of the myriad technical issues. I don’t even remember there being technical issues, I just remember logging in one day to find a website I enjoyed replaced with a bunch of crap I wasn’t interested in.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

I think quality contributors have been evaporating from Reddit for a fairly long time in a dead sea fashion, leaving a place that's effectively inhospitable.

I left in 2018 or there-around. Probably stayed too long, in retrospect. 10+ year account, moderated multiple subreddits and a pillar of the community type figure in a few others.

On some level it felt like each election cycle dug deeper trenches until the entire website looked like the battle of Verdun. This wasn't exclusively an American phenomenon either. The same thing happened on several national subreddits.

I also got the sense that the reddit members cultivated a sort of creeping depression that was really allowed to fester on some subreddits essentially all about exchanging thoughts of hopelessness and doom. This was before Covid. I can't imagine it got better those years. Granted, Reddit was wallowing in "forever alone"-memes even 15 years ago, but it feels like the darkness of that abyss got darker as the years passed.

I've looked back a few times but I've immediately turned heel as I saw what a toxic dumpster fire it's turned into. Like it isn't as obvious if you've been in it, but jesus f christ on pogo stick is it ever clear to see when you've been away for a couple of years.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by jnwatson »

pdntspa wrote: post #132
btreecat wrote: post #118

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As someone who used to mod, jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position. I know that had you stepped up to help out one of your favorite subs, you'd have a different lense. You comment is v clearly just ignorant.

I have to agree with GP, I am part of several subreddits where the moderators clearly enjoy being kings of their precious little fiefdom. Some of these folks are downright fascists, and the only way to fix it is to start a new subreddit or try appeal to reddit staff Maybe the burden of moderation makes them this way, I don't know. But reddit is worse off with them.

I think Musk learned the hard way how hard it is to strike the right balance.

Anybody that thinks Reddit is fascist should spend 60 days moderating a popular sub. Your attitude might change.

This isn’t to say that there aren’t mods with power trips. Reddit has essentially outsourced their trust and safety department. It isn’t going to be perfect.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mrguyorama »

biorach wrote: post #3

> Our API server was a Python Tornado service... and one of the most frequently accessed endpoint was used to retrieve user by their name or id. Because it supported retrieval by either name or id, it set default values for both parameters as empty lists. This is a super reasonable thing to do! However, Python only initializes default parameters when the function is first evaluated, which means that the same list is…

You can work in python for years and never know this. How many devs know the entire spec of their working language by heart?

I've been bitten by this exact thing. It's not strictly obvious IMO. Though it didn't make it through testing.

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