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Re: Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?

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Post by barnabee »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #28
mindondrugs wrote: post #11

> this salary wouldn't attract strong talent even in medium cost-of-living countries (like portugal/spain). median salary for a developer in Spain is $30,000 a year[1], so 50-80k would easily place them in the upper 10% of the scale. I think americans need to really reflect on how inflated american dev salaries are. [1] https://www.payscale.com/research/ES/Job=Software_Developer/...

>I think americans need to really reflect on how inflated american dev salaries are. Or maybe people everywhere else need to really reflect on how underpaid they are. It’s not like the revenue of tech companies is lower outside of the US, so why isn’t more of it ending up in developers’ pockets, where it should go?

It should go to showing fewer ads

Re: Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

riku_iki wrote: post #122
mindondrugs wrote: post #11

> this salary wouldn't attract strong talent even in medium cost-of-living countries (like portugal/spain). median salary for a developer in Spain is $30,000 a year[1], so 50-80k would easily place them in the upper 10% of the scale. I think americans need to really reflect on how inflated american dev salaries are. [1] https://www.payscale.com/research/ES/Job=Software_Developer/...

> median salary for a developer in Spain is $30,000 a year[1], so 50-80k would easily place them in the upper 10% of the scale. that's global market already. If apple, google, msft be confident they can hire thousands of high quality engineers in Spain for $30k/y, they would sure open dev offices there and cut jobs in California.

They do open offices and they do pay little compared to the US, but still relatively good for the market.

Re: Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?

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Post by lsferreira42 »

mpeg wrote: post #124
thiht wrote: post #120

> this salary wouldn't attract strong talent even in medium cost-of-living countries (like Portugal/Spain). lol, you have no idea what you’re talking about

Is it wrong? Assuming he refers to top talent, $50-80k isn’t enough to get anyone. You’d hardly be able to hire a top developer in Southeast Asia for this kind of money No one is taking about average employees

Yes, it is!

Here in Brazil $80k turns in 400k BRL or 33k per month. This make you go to the top 1% salary by a very large margin.

Re: Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?

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Post by iExploder »

rockyj wrote: post #21

Just to add my opinion, 60-80K is an expected decent/common salary for an experienced programmer across EU (UK salaries are higher). Programmer salaries above 100K are very uncommon outside a few companies and US/UK.

> programmer salaries above 100K are very uncommon

if you work for local companies yes, salary above 100k is common in Europe once you start looking at companies that compete on global market

Re: Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?

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Post by 908B64B197 »

jessekv wrote: post #84
hoffs wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like people just don't want to leave their life behind... Those listed things are like the bottom of the reasons

On the other hand, I know dozens of people that left their life and higher salaries in the US behind to come to the EU for those stated reasons.

From my observation, the ratio of American Engineers coming to Europe vs Europeans Engineers coming to America is at least 1:10, if not more.

And most of the expats I know who did it seemed to be working for SV companies. So they didn't leave the higher salary behind.

Re: Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

rockyj wrote: post #21

Just to add my opinion, 60-80K is an expected decent/common salary for an experienced programmer across EU (UK salaries are higher). Programmer salaries above 100K are very uncommon outside a few companies and US/UK.

Keep in mind that you'd probably need to be contractor to work for the company (as it costs money to get employer of record, never mention employer contribution) so you should give that amount a hefty discount.

Re: Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?

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Post by 908B64B197 »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #93
908B64B197 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is a huge salary gap between usa and Canada as well. Not in my experience. At least not for SV-Caliber talent. Something you have to keep in mind is that there are two parallel markets over there: SV caliber developers and the rest. The former won't have any issue getting a job in the US (takes maybe a week for a talented engineer to get one). Therefore, comp has to be priced appropriately. The later can't -a…

Most of what comes as "SV caliber" is mediocre devs. There are just (way) more of them in Bay Area than anywhere in the world and they know right buzzwords.

> Most of what comes as "SV caliber" is mediocre devs.

That's an interesting statement. I assume the whole tech ecosystem and market is completely irrational since it seems to price these developer so much higher than their real worth? Where would one need to go to find non-mediocre devs who know more than just "the buzzwords"?

Re: Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?

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Post by mmarq »

shrikant wrote: post #53
gamesbrainiac wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those figures are wrong to be honest. Most senior folks in Spain don't work for Spanish companies in general; they work for EU companies that pay more. Plenty of senior folks in Spain making $100k+. In Barcelona, you can make north of $70K easy; even for non-senior devs. I agree with OP. The salary is way too low for a senior European developer to consider because taking a US job means that there are no employment pr…

Yeah Spain salaries aren't great for devs even by the UK's standards, but GP's numbers seem way too low. About 4 years back I didn't bother proceeding with a couple of (well, two) mid-level engineering positions based out of Barcelona because they paid too low (about €55,000) compared to what I could get in the UK for an equivalent role. One of them was for King, who was still raking it in then, and I can't remember…

Today a dev in Barcelona makes as much as a dev in London or slightly less. Considering the cost of living and the quality of life, the dev in Barcelona gets much much more.

Among my friends and acquaintances, I’m currently witnessing an exodus from the UK, with people moving to Spain, France, the Netherlands and Germany.

Re: Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?

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Post by pcthrowaway »

908B64B197 wrote: post #148
KptMarchewa wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of what comes as "SV caliber" is mediocre devs. There are just (way) more of them in Bay Area than anywhere in the world and they know right buzzwords.

> Most of what comes as "SV caliber" is mediocre devs. That's an interesting statement. I assume the whole tech ecosystem and market is completely irrational since it seems to price these developer so much higher than their real worth? Where would one need to go to find non-mediocre devs who know more than just "the buzzwords"?

> I assume the whole tech ecosystem and market is completely irrational since it seems to price these developer so much higher than their real worth?

You somehow consider this less likely than the alternative where all less-than-leet-tier devs have decided to stay out of SV and therefore, the inflated salaries for everyone there are actually rational?

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