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Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by makapuf »

jhatemyjob wrote: post #62
Kye wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've only seen the wars over when and if to adopt new C and C++ standards in the distant periphery, but it seems like any attempt to encode human interests and needs into systems through code brings about strife. The politics there might be less visible since it happens on mailing lists and old forums no one's ever heard of, but the only difference is visibility. New languages will inevitably adopt the means of commu…

Yes of course C++ isn't any better. C is a weird one since it's the "original language", the base layer of abstraction so-to-speak so C89 is going to be the standard forever. The standards committee around that one has zero power (as far as I can tell). What I'm comparing Rust/Swift/Go to are languages like MoonScript/Objective-C/Lua, where there is a single BDFL (Leafo/Steve Jobs/Roberto). I feel like for programmin…

Thats funny, because that same person we are talking about battled the C standard committee (with bureaucracy, not specific people) into accepting #embed : https://thephd.dev/finally-embed-in-c23

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by lucasyvas »

bluejekyll wrote: post #4
iknowstuff wrote: post #2

Uh, at this point, just name them? What is this, Hollywood? Where everyone knows what's happening but doesn't say anything until a big scandal occurs and everyone piles on?

“I was able to reassure myself, by checking these private discussion places, that there were good people, fighting for the right thing to be done. That things weren’t irremediably broken. That there was hope for improvement in the near future.” From the linked article, that probably makes it clear that they believe Rust Leadership screwed up, and probably represents why naming individuals might not be helpful, and co…

Naming individuals is the best solution because it will create the appropriate infighting to resolve the issue. It will be a huge mess, but it will come to resolution sooner.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by meindnoch »

conradludgate wrote: post #122
meindnoch wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? A cursory google search says it's a guy called Hector Marcan. Is this wrong?

Asahi Lina is the vtuber, not Hector

Huh? I'm not sure I follow you.

As far as I can tell, this "Asahi Lina" is a cartoon figure, that's used for lip-syncing with a voice effect. Are you saying the real person behind the cartoon is also called "Asahi Lina"?

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by waboremo »

cookieperson wrote: post #15

Fasterthanlime is something like my spirit animal. Prolific and educational blogs that have challenged my knowledge with whimsy joy and catharsis. Also apparently emotionally intelligent and making the right moves here. Sometimes it's better to drop out and start something new. An unofficial convention would be fantastic. I'm sick of the clout chasing in these niche tech areas, it always drowns out the real passion a…

Ain't that the old problem, the ones who should be in those positions tend to run from them and those that shouldn't run towards those positions. I don't think it's a problem we're anywhere close to solving unfortunately. We just sort of assign someone who seems reluctant about it but won't run from the position, but in most cases we just let whoever asks first!

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by psychphysic »

serial_dev wrote: post #73
mort96 wrote: post #14

> Part of me is very disappointed in the enormous waste of time that is the “crablang” fork, and wishes the people involved could have engaged in a constructive manner instead. Any group who decides to fork Rust probably isn't in a position of power to turn the whole Rust Project and Rust Foundation into something less messy. Without knowing any of the specifics about this "crablang" fork, creating a well-resourced,…

I am surprised how people pretend to be outraged over a fork of an open source language. They are outraged by the fork because having a fork reach thousand stars so quickly made it harder to ignore the reality that people who love the language were fed up with the leadership. Forking is the essence of open source software. Don't like something somebody else is doing with a software? It's open source, so you do it you…

I flicked through the GitHub and website.

Is crablang a fork of Rust? Is Rust a plant fungus?

Edit: yes and apparently yes.

They take great lengths not to name rust which is interesting for a fork.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by psychphysic »

xoac wrote: post #44
d3nj4l wrote: post #8

In a way, I find this entire saga incredibly funny. There is so much hand wringing and pearl clutching at something that is supposedly in the shadows - this cabal of four or five people making decisions - that it makes the entire Rust "community" look juvenile. This is the kind of internecine conflict I should see in Anime discord servers, not about a language whose governance involves multiple major corporations!

Any reccomendations for Anime discord channels?

These are the HN interactions I love.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #23
bluejekyll wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the reason they are saying it doesn’t matter, is that without a clear statement of what happened from the decision makers, people can speculate. One of those things people will speculate on is if this was one of the reasons. The fact that it is also part of the equation means it can’t be outright ignored and so will also need to be addressed. On top of that, this is already an underrepresented group, and re…

I vehemently disagree. Unless there is reason to suspect race is a factor, which there is none in this case, then discussion should move on the issue at hand, and speculation about racism should be discouraged or ignored. Your perspective, while well intentioned, is exactly the sort that drives needless division and suspicion in modern discourse.

If the one black guy in the entire convention had his talk downgraded through back-channel means, I would suspect race had to do with it (if only obliquely, in that often black peoples actions are often received in much less good faith than other races). If it was actually just general leadership incompetence I think that would be important to highlight. It’s super weird when the only black guy gets sus behavior, but it’s less weird if leadership has been sus for a while and it just happened to drive off the one black guy.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by conradludgate »

meindnoch wrote: post #143
conradludgate wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asahi Lina is the vtuber, not Hector

Huh? I'm not sure I follow you. As far as I can tell, this "Asahi Lina" is a cartoon figure, that's used for lip-syncing with a voice effect. Are you saying the real person behind the cartoon is also called "Asahi Lina"?

Asahi Lina is who they identify as. It is likely a pseudonym but I see no source for any other name. So I have no reason to believe it's Hector. I would rather not make assumptions about someone beyond what they present themselves as, so as far as I'm concerned, they are Asahi Lina She/Her
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