Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

thedriven.io

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

141–150 of 642 posts

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#141

Post by kemiller »

newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

Even if you total up all the models from other manufacturers, it still doesn't touch the model Y or model 3 for sheer volume. Add all 4 Tesla models up and it's a bloodbath. (This is in the markets people on HN probably care about, North America and Europe. China is another matter.)

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#142

Post by Animats »

It's encouraging to note that most model Y cars ("standard range") use lithium iron phosphate batteries, which have far fewer problem with fires than lithium iron. Energy density per kilogram of lithium iron phosphate batteries is lower, but has been improving slowly. Tesla had to buy the technology from BYD.

I suspect that in a few years, batteries capable of thermal runaway will be prohibited. They're becoming unnecessary.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#143

Post by borissk »

pnpnp wrote: post #132
borissk wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I've been driving German cars my whole life and never had one break. Never had to think about motor belts or engine filters - just visit a garage for planned maintenance every year or whatever miles the manual states. Tesla are an amazing company, that made EVs mainstream, but I'm never going to buy one. They don't know what the word "privacy" means.

Counter point, I drove a new German car and had the turbo blow up (this was an "economy" car) within 4,000 miles. I still loved that car, but ICE engines have an order of magnitude more points of failure.

True, but car industry has an order of magnitude more experience making ICE engines and turbo blow up on a new car is extremely rare.

Doesn't really matter, obviously EVs are the future.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#144

Post by sixQuarks »

newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

I was wondering how HN was going to spin this. The problem with this argument is that the Model Y by itself outsold the entire BMW electric lineup combined. In fact, 4 times the entire combined amount.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#145

Post by topkai22 »

umeshunni wrote: post #107
ChatGTP wrote: post #101

Imagine if Toyota would've just made a simple, but nicely build electric car 3-5 years ago. Pretty foolish mistake.

They had a 10 year head start on EVs (well, Hybrids), with the Prius and blew it. Worse: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/07/toyota-bet-wrong-on-evs...

Even worse is they had multiple generations of a RAV4 EV, which they stopped manufacturing in 2014. They made it along side Tesla in the same plant that now makes Model Ys.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#146

Post by ryantgtg »

newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

But if I take BMW, I see they currently have three all electric models on offer: iX, i7, i4.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#147

Post by ChatGTP »

shusaku wrote: post #129
umeshunni wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They had a 10 year head start on EVs (well, Hybrids), with the Prius and blew it. Worse: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/07/toyota-bet-wrong-on-evs...

How much does this really matter? I feel like Tesla is strong in the market because they figured out how to market an EV as a sports car. Toyota was never going to do that.

An electric Toyota Supra would easily outsell most Tesla's. It's a much nicer looking car than anything I've seen come from Tesla, the interior is so well done too.

It's a shame they've lost it.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#148

Post by jancsika »

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales.

Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla.

Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k.

I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#149

Post by ETH_start »

jimjimjim wrote: post #128
skellington wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla drivers statistically have significantly less accidents than other vehicles. So, by the data, they can't be worse than other drivers.

yeah of course. because as we all know, accidents are the only indicator of bad driving

It seems like they would be a reliable indicator of bad driving, and moreover, the primary one.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#150

Post by asdff »

Shekelphile wrote: post #118
asdff wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that prius took 10 seconds to go to 60mph and this tesla takes 3. Lead foot + silent car + crazy fast 0-60 = people driving like a GTA game.

There's plenty of people driving like it's GTA in their dog-slow base model nissan altimas and ram 2500s, more BEVs isn't gonna change the fact that a large chunk of society are selfish and antisocial.

Having a fast car like that also makes road diets less effective, if a car can get up to 60mph in an instant after a speed bump. The altima would take say 10 seconds of the engine sounding like its very angry with you, there wouldn't be time to get up to 60mph before the next speed bump perhaps, and if you drove like that everywhere you went you'd get like 10mpg maybe.

It truly makes no sense why the NHTSA seemingly works so hard with crash testing, yet they see no problems with a 5000lb family sedan that goes faster than a Ferrari F40.

Post reply on HN