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Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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Re: Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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I forgot he got pardoned. Trump presidency: if you have money you could use that money to literally buy a get out of jail card.

It's not just Trump, democrats have done similar things in the past. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controvers... especially Marc Rich

I know - its the brashness, level of ease and amount of pardons by the Trump presidency that makes it different. Not that it isn't done by other parties.

Re: Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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Alphabet has a large stake in Uber. They don’t need to own it outright to realize huge returns.

How much of Uber does Alphabet own? They do not show up in the top 10 list here, so presumably 1% at most? https://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=UBER https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/uber/holders/ Seems like pocket change compared to Alphabet’s other investments.

I just want to chime in to say that it is ridiculous that such information is not so easy to come by. Billion-dollar corporations should not be allowed to keep their external investments so opaque! Especially businesses that are publicly-traded.

Also: I don't give a damn if the business isn't publicly traded either. If they're that big they have enough influence over any given market that the public should have the right to know what they're up to.

Re: Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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This is fascinating, obviously it makes a tonne of sense for uber as a platform to offer waymo's autonomous vehicles. The first question I had though was "who extracts value here". Does Waymo get to demand human-driver level prices and therefore capture loads of value or does Uber actually capture the value because they're where the customers are. But then I realised... it doesn't matter. Waymo is part of Alphabet, a…

I am pretty confident google could spin up an org to replicate the uber app in a few months/maybe a year. However, Uber obviously cannot spin up an org to replicate self driving vehicles in a few months. By that logic I would say Waymo has all of the power since they could develop their own app and undercut uber on pricing. The customers would instantly leave as it is a race to the bottom with ride share.

The customer network is the hardest thing to replicate

Re: Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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I think you're underplaying the difficulty of what Uber has built. Uber is an operations-heavy business. Determining pricing strategies, handling incidents, and working with local governments is at the core of its service. Google has traditionally shied away from businesses that require big operational investments in real-world assets the way that, say, Amazon or Airbnb have. These take time to build properly, and is…

Waymo already has to deal with local governments.

Yes, in a couple of small geographies where the local governments have been particularly accommodating.

Can't you see why Google may not want to do this for dozens of places and handle customer service for rideshare, etc, at scale?

Re: Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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This won't be in widespread use for quite a while. Places with weather still aren't great candidates for Waymo.

There's VERY few population centers in the US where it's raining heavily >10% of the time. The vast majority of rides in the US - and even in a place like Florida that's a swamp where it rains literally every day - happen under just fine conditions for Waymo. This is fine for a taxi service. If you make 10x as much profit in the vast majority of cases - you'll let someone else pick up the scraps in the edge cases. It…

There’s no way to get 10x unless human drivers are earning 90% of the price currently which is clearly very far from the case.

Re: Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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There's VERY few population centers in the US where it's raining heavily >10% of the time. The vast majority of rides in the US - and even in a place like Florida that's a swamp where it rains literally every day - happen under just fine conditions for Waymo. This is fine for a taxi service. If you make 10x as much profit in the vast majority of cases - you'll let someone else pick up the scraps in the edge cases. It…

Automotive EE here, I could not disagree with you more on the state and expectations of self-driving vehicles. I can tell you with confidence they have not really put effort into weather and it’s a problem “to be solved later”. It’s all a joke. If we actually wanted this, it would be long haul A to B routes. Turning semi trucks into rail. Self-driving was already slowing down before the era of free money. So I expect…

But have they solved the Trolley Problem?

Re: Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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I still don’t understand the strategy for Waymo. After running that taxi service in phoenix for this long they resorted to partnering with Uber, it’s a huge failure. What does Uber bring to the table at all? An app that is easily replicable and with google’s reputation they can easily get customers off of Uber to their own platform. It’s a colossal failure. I was really hoping they would use Waze for this purpose. In…

It's a signal that ride share apps won't be 100% autonomous anytime soon.

If you're a consumer and you want to go from point A to point B you don't want to have to think about whether your route will be in the AV coverage area, or if AVs are able to operate in current weather conditions, or if there are enough AVs available.

You just want to press a button and have some vehicle take you from point A to point B, whether that vehicle has a human behind the wheel or not.

Re: Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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So they're going to make the cars they're already running in Phoenix available through Uber. Is this because they don't have enough users already? Are they doing it so that they can then expand into other areas without having to spend money on advertising/operations? What's the game plan?

Re: Waymo and Uber partner to bring autonomous driving technology to Uber

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This is fascinating, obviously it makes a tonne of sense for uber as a platform to offer waymo's autonomous vehicles. The first question I had though was "who extracts value here". Does Waymo get to demand human-driver level prices and therefore capture loads of value or does Uber actually capture the value because they're where the customers are. But then I realised... it doesn't matter. Waymo is part of Alphabet, a…

I am pretty confident google could spin up an org to replicate the uber app in a few months/maybe a year. However, Uber obviously cannot spin up an org to replicate self driving vehicles in a few months. By that logic I would say Waymo has all of the power since they could develop their own app and undercut uber on pricing. The customers would instantly leave as it is a race to the bottom with ride share.

> I am pretty confident google could spin up an org to replicate the uber app in a few months/maybe a year.

The app, sure. But Uber also has the aggression necessary to expand across the world and bulldoze/ignore/skirt/rewrite local taxi laws fairly successfully.

There is no way waymo/alphabet would manage that. They'd nicely ask permission, and in most cities permission would be denied by incumbent taxi operators and uber drivers who don't want their jobs taken.

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