TikTok is now banned in Montana • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by 99_00 » Thu, May 18, 2023, 2:49 PM UTC

It's interesting that some oppose Musk running Twitter, it's moderation, policies, and alorithms because of his sympathies for a mainstream American political party.

And at the same time carry water for TickTock who is legally obligated to cooperate with China's intelligence service in any way they require. Knowing that the Chinese regime runs genocidal slave labour rape camps and will extract and sell your organs for free speech and religious practices.

I suspect that they don't realize that the CCP controlling the TickTock algorithms is more dangerous making the Q-anon shaman product manager for the algorithms at meta, Google, and Twitter.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by 99_00 » Thu, May 18, 2023, 2:52 PM UTC

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #122

falcolas wrote: post #87

My only consolation in this shitstorm is that it's been expanded to include "all social media applications that collect and provide users' personal information or data to a foreign adversary, or a person or entity located within a country designated as a foreign adversary." So, yeah. I guess it's time to shut 'em all down. Now we just wait for the "I didn't mean American companies" retraction.

Yep, the "lets ban TikTok because they're foreign and might potentially misuse data." is a silly, shallow reaction that doesn't deal with the real problems and the known, not potential, issues. It seems like a distraction. Data misuse is real concern. But TikTok is not the main problem, it's industry-wide. A good Data Protection legislation that applies to all, and is applied to TikTok if they warrant it (and also to…

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 18, 2023, 2:55 PM UTC

erehweb wrote: post #135

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does a state even have a right to do something like this? Somehow, I feel like if California tried to ban Fox News - it would not fly. This doesn't seem that different, though I personally find it amusing that it's coming from a conservative state. I do agree TikTok is toxic trash - but I'd say the same about Fox News - and it just doesn't seem like something a state has the ability to ban.

Maybe, maybe not. The courts will decide. To those saying it's obviously unconstitutional, remember that the constitution is whatever five people on the Supreme Court says it is.

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by hotpotamus » Thu, May 18, 2023, 2:56 PM UTC

edgyquant wrote: post #89

jameshart wrote: post #88

The actual legislation: https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0419.pdf Seems facially unconstitutional. Will maybe force a proper court decision on whether the Bills of Attainder clause applies to corporations. Why are legislators so focused on banning TikTok, rather than regulating whatever it is that TikTok does that they don't like? Don't like data about your constituents being in the possession of a company wit…

Countries have the right to ban foreign adversaries. US companies are a different problem with different solutions.

What makes a company a "US Company"? Aren't the big social media companies all global with offices in the US and most other countries? I get that a lot were founded here, but I don't get the impression that they feel that they derive any particular allegiance to the US because of that. Isn't it to the shareholders?

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by xeromal » Thu, May 18, 2023, 2:56 PM UTC

woooooo wrote: post #121

viraptor wrote: post #113

Slightly off topic - I'm not sure I've heard the gov stating it plainly in the recent years: "the People's Republic of China is an adversary of the United States" (from the bill). Did I just miss it / glance over, or is this out of character for officially released gov documents?

I wonder how many Chinese-manufactured goods the state of Montana bought yesterday while issuing this statement.

I've you've never had to do business with people you don't like, color me impressed

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by micromacrofoot » Thu, May 18, 2023, 2:57 PM UTC

99_00 wrote: post #141

It's interesting that some oppose Musk running Twitter, it's moderation, policies, and alorithms because of his sympathies for a mainstream American political party. And at the same time carry water for TickTock who is legally obligated to cooperate with China's intelligence service in any way they require. Knowing that the Chinese regime runs genocidal slave labour rape camps and will extract and sell your organs fo…

Seems like a little bit of a strawman, they're all bad.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by fnordpiglet » Thu, May 18, 2023, 2:57 PM UTC

Can’t wait for the injunction to hit in about 5 days.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by icecreamtoilet » Thu, May 18, 2023, 2:58 PM UTC

99_00 wrote: post #142

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, the "lets ban TikTok because they're foreign and might potentially misuse data." is a silly, shallow reaction that doesn't deal with the real problems and the known, not potential, issues. It seems like a distraction. Data misuse is real concern. But TikTok is not the main problem, it's industry-wide. A good Data Protection legislation that applies to all, and is applied to TikTok if they warrant it (and also to…

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by JohnFen » Thu, May 18, 2023, 3:00 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #87

My only consolation in this shitstorm is that it's been expanded to include "all social media applications that collect and provide users' personal information or data to a foreign adversary, or a person or entity located within a country designated as a foreign adversary." So, yeah. I guess it's time to shut 'em all down. Now we just wait for the "I didn't mean American companies" retraction.

That such bans don't include domestic companies spying on people and providing that data to domestic entities says everything about how bankrupt this whole thing is.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by AlwaysRock » Thu, May 18, 2023, 3:03 PM UTC

avn2109 wrote: post #99

One underappreciated aspect of this is ban is that anyone who wants Tiktok will just go download it in Wyoming or Idaho etc, as it seems to be merely a ban on downloading the app, and not a ban on Tiktok traffic itself. So the ban will have near zero actual impact in practice (even if it somehow makes it into effect). Furthermore, it's unclear if the web app of Tiktok will be affected, or if it's only a ban on the mo…

Also am Montanan and Wyoming or Idaho are far away for some of us. I don't know many people who would drive multiple hours to get an app. But sure, anyone who wants it badly enough will be able to get it. It doesnt seem like the point is a total all out ban though. It's a deterrent for the general public who will default to not downloading now rather than defaulting to downloading.