The AI doesn't have to follow ai.txt, but it appreciates the effort you put into classifying data for it.
Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”
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Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”
#142Using robots.txt as a model for anything doesn't work. All a robots.txt is is a polite request to please follow the rules in it, there is no "legal" agreement to follow those rules, only a moral imperative. Robots.txt has failed as a system, if it hadn't we wouldn't have captchas or Cloudflare. In the age of AI we need to better understand where copyright applies to it, and potentially need reform of copyright to ali…
I have the belief that models should be allowed to ingest everything, just as a human is allowed. We are not yet at the stage where AI is autonomous, they currently are designed to require human agency for input, human agency for evaluation of output, and finally human agency for the dissemination of select output. This last important stage is well understood in the field of photography, but currently ignored in AI stewardship dialogues. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the human agent who selects AI information products to determine its legality and appropriateness, just as if they had snapped a photograph and are wrestling with the decision whether or not it should be distributed in a particular medium. It takes a fairly selfish consciousness to become obsessed with the desire to prevent AI models access to information and disregard the collective benefits of rich information availability to training.
Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, I feel like this person only read the title and not the text of the post and made an assumption
Not an assumption. Just a response to the title of the article.
They said "Using robots.txt as a model for anything doesn't work." but it does work for the case described in the text
Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”
#144Using robots.txt as a model for anything doesn't work. All a robots.txt is is a polite request to please follow the rules in it, there is no "legal" agreement to follow those rules, only a moral imperative. Robots.txt has failed as a system, if it hadn't we wouldn't have captchas or Cloudflare. In the age of AI we need to better understand where copyright applies to it, and potentially need reform of copyright to ali…
> "We" now want stricter copyright law when it comes to AI, but at the same time shorter copyright duration... This gross generalization of other people's views on important issues is really offensive. My view is that the Copyright Act of 1976 had it about right when they established the duration of copyright. My view is that members of Congress were handsomely rewarded by a specific corporation to carve out special…
Unrelated but "offensive" is not necessarily bad.
We should accept that people can get offended by anything and, because of this, just demote the concept.
Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are mistaken if you think companies will allow common people to ignore copyright on their IP. The only IP that will be allowed to be stolen is that of other common people.
You can’t steal an idea.
Yes, you can. You can do that by making the monetary value of the idea zero when it used to be non-zero.
Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”
#146Using robots.txt as a model for anything doesn't work. All a robots.txt is is a polite request to please follow the rules in it, there is no "legal" agreement to follow those rules, only a moral imperative. Robots.txt has failed as a system, if it hadn't we wouldn't have captchas or Cloudflare. In the age of AI we need to better understand where copyright applies to it, and potentially need reform of copyright to ali…
Considering the state of ai right now you probably are better off deleting your robots.txt file
Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think they nailed it with the original 1790 act. 14 years + 14 more is plenty.
Same. The very nature of information is that it yearns to be free. Information cannot be "owned." The point of copyright should be to grant temporary monopolies to encourage creation, not to confer ownership. Thomas Jefferson put it beautifully: If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclus…
but copyright is not for information or ideas, information and ideas cannot be copyrighted; it's for creative expression
Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "We" now want stricter copyright law when it comes to AI, but at the same time shorter copyright duration... This gross generalization of other people's views on important issues is really offensive. My view is that the Copyright Act of 1976 had it about right when they established the duration of copyright. My view is that members of Congress were handsomely rewarded by a specific corporation to carve out special…
> Reducing copyright term extension has everything to do with restoring competition and creativity to our economy Can you explain your line of thinking here? How does the ability to use another company’s intellectual property restore creativity? It just seems like a path to allow bootlegging.
Glad you asked! So copyright is a limited, temporary monopoly on a work. You create a work, the law grants you the exclusive rights to that work, for a time. Because of this monopoly the vast majority of the benefit from that work accrues to you, including financially. (All pretty fair in my opinion, you did the work, you deserve the reward!)
If let's say Star Wars falls out of copyright tomorrow, economically that has two effects. One, Disney loses a ton of future revenue. Two, countless Disney other people create derivatives of Star Wars, and they make money from those. Competition is increased.
So the expiration of a copyright results in a sharing of the wealth. The wealth generating potential along with the creative potential is passed along to all members of society. Our culture becomes richer and deeper. A great example of this is all the works that build on the mythos created by HP Lovecraft, one of the last great ones created before Congress started indefinitely extending copyright. Lovecraft wrote great literature and some of the authors that built on his world are fantastic as well, I'm sure they've come up with countless ideas he never considered. But as long as Congress keeps on extending copyright, nothing we create today will ever become like that.
There is of course an important question about what is fair and how long a copyright should last. Most people these days agree that it should last for at least the author's lifetime, maybe long enough to benefit their kids and grandkids as well. But the status quo is basically permanent copyright which prevents substantial creative and economic benefits to society.
Re: Tell HN: We should start to add “ai.txt” as we do for “robots.txt”
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "We" now want stricter copyright law when it comes to AI, but at the same time shorter copyright duration... This gross generalization of other people's views on important issues is really offensive. My view is that the Copyright Act of 1976 had it about right when they established the duration of copyright. My view is that members of Congress were handsomely rewarded by a specific corporation to carve out special…
> Don't recruit me into some bullshit argument that rewrites history and entrenches Disney's ill-gotten monopoly. You don't think it's them being allowed to buy Marvel, Pixar, Lucasfilm? Is creativity ruined because I can't make a Mickey Mouse cartoon or t-shirt? Does the world need Luke Skywalker coming from any individual studio? People are free to make the Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Hunchback of Notre D…
Concentration is absolutely a problem, but the second point undermines the first. The world is more interesting because anyone can adapt old stories like The Little Mermaid however they want. How could it not be even richer if the same applied to newer creations like Bugs Bunny?
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