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Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by jstx1 »

hgsgm wrote: post #83
somenameforme wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their match was played in November 2018. Here are the classical [1] and rapid [2] rating lists from that time. Fabiano was 12 points behind Magnus in classical, and 91 points behind him in rapid. It's all going to be relative. Obviously Fabiano is extremely good at all forms of chess, but all top players (in any sport) are going to have relative strengths/weaknesses when compared against each other. [1] - https://web…

Classics is an extremely impractical format for ratings, because the games are so long so players can't play many games. It's like Heisenberg Uncertainty.

The number of games does influece the stability of the ratings but the result is the opposite - classical ratings are more reliable because there are regular organised events while there are very few serious blitz and rapid events. Most top players only play the rapid and blitz World Championship, no other events in these time controls.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

Bostonian wrote: post #127
blackpill0w wrote: post #27

It should be noted that one of the reasons this WCC was exciting is because of Richard Rapport who helped Ding Liren with his preparation, he is well know for being creative with his openings, and his contributions were pretty obvious in games (we even saw a London System), specially that Ding is usually predictable.

Yes, but I still don't see the point of the 4.h3 novelty, which wastes a move. Ding lost that game badly.

Weirdly enough, the opening actually turned out okay for Ding there, but instead of plcing Nxc5 with a stable advantage he went for the double edged Nxf6 and he played poorly in that game.

Ding had a really bad start though, he really wasn't himself, especially in the first two games. Not sitting at the board much which is very unlike him.

I think if Nepo had played something more challenging in game 1 than the exhange variation he would've probably won the game and possibly been able to kill Ding off while he was still settling into the match.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #38
ttyyzz wrote: post #35

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I'd rather have the best current player in there. I thought this WCC was rather pointless.

What are they supposed to do, not have a world championship? It's happened before when Fischer refused to defend the title. And yet Karpov got the title without having beaten Fischer, who he probably wouldn't have beaten in a match even if Fischer was nutty bananas at the time. But at least he had played a match to win the candidates tournament at the time. This time around, Ian hadn't won a match, and so the match m…

I am inclined to think that Karpov would have very likely defeated Fischer, and that Fischer was afraid of losing to him.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

fraggle222 wrote: post #91
somenameforme wrote: post #24

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I do wonder if Fabiano Caruana (the commentator in question, world #7) is going to have some introspection following these events, because that pattern occurred several times during his commentary. He came up with endless (and completely valid) ways for both players to 'kill'/simplify/draw the games at various points, but the players chose far more ambitious routes ultimately culminating in the final game where it de…

I think Fabi is licking his chops thinking he can now finally be a world champion since Carlsen is out and Ding maybe won't be too hard to best. He predicted lots of lines in the match or saw better ones from his commentator chair (granted the eval bar helps a lot). But you are right he will have to take some risks probably.

He must first defeat Nepo in the candidates.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

Sesse__ wrote: post #139
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #98

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But doing that when Carlsen announced his forfeit after the candidates would be silly. If there's a time to change the format, it's now before the next cycle begins, not in the middle of the previous cycle.

Carlsen was pretty clear on this all along. He said there was a _slight_ chance of him changing his mind if Firouzja won the Candidates, which he was nowhere near doing. The announcement after the Candidates was just the final confirmation. Everybody playing knew very well that the second spot would give them a very real shot at playing the WCC, Ding and Nakamura included.

That's true. But Carlsen still leaving the possibility meant it was always going to be a match in this cycle. So if Carlsen forfeiting should have consequences for the way the cycle is structured it should be now, after the match, not instead of it

Btw, are you in any way responsible for analysis.sesse.net? I've been using it every day!

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #140
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #121

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Well, yes he could have, but he didn't. And Ding simply played better than him and beat him in that game. And in the game before that he passed up chances to play for a win with white for an easy draw. That's why I think the final game became sort of a microcosm of the match as a whole. Ian's concentration slipped and he was thinking of making a draw, and the match situation, and not the position at hand, and when Di…

It would be fair to say that it was the championship that Nepo lost, not the championship that Ding won. Game 12 was an insane blunder.

I think these are nothing but quibbles. In the end, the player who makes the least mistakes wins, and that was Ding. Ian had opportunities he didn't take, and so did Ding, but in the end Ding took more of his opportunities than Ian.

In the end, if Ian deserved to win more than Ding, why did Ding win?

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by kelipso »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #111
kelipso wrote: post #63

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Chess isn't really big in China. Maybe will get more popular with Ding now but I'm not holding my breath.

Chess is huge in China. The women’s world champion and also number two are both Chinese. You are right that Chess is not as popular as Go in China.

Chess is not nearly as popular as Chinese chess (xiangqi) either.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by lubujackson »

jackmott42 wrote: post #117
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #12

A lot of people (me included) thought this series was dire for Ding after watching him get crushed a few days ago by his opponent Nepo where Ding visibly froze and was in a state of total mental disarray after he couldn't decide on his move, wasted a ton of time, and ended up making a bad move anyways. Commenters said that this was Nepo's strength, even if he doesn't make the absolute greatest move he makes a good en…

Think of the chess players as facing a gigantic search problem. They don't have time to search everything, so they have to use intuition to decide what lines to calculate. Their intuition is very good but not perfect. So sometimes you get in a situation where you have computed the wrong lines and see no solution. The solution might be obvious on another day where you randomly don't cull the right lines, and very hard…

In that vein, when the cheating scandal happened a few months back Hikaru (a top 10 player) said the only information he would need to make a difference in a match is getting a buzz when the position is critical. Not which move to make, but when to spend time analyzing deeply.

It is hard to over-emphasize how much high level chess is about time management.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by bionsystem »

davidguetta wrote: post #3

Thanks to the commentators to make the game accessible to us 1100 elo > It's funny because at my level I thought it made 100% sense to decline draw and go Rg6. With two beautiful passed pawns and a bishop in the middle ding had a clear plan and very low risk (to me) to lose while Nepo had to do so many super accurate queen moves to defend... which seemed impossible (to me) in time pressure. It's basically (to me, aga…

Rg6 is an amazing decision (note that I didn't say it's the right one as clearly I wouldn't know). Think about it, after months of preparation and a couple weeks of playing long games, and getting so much pressure, he can take a draw with black and then play blitz. Nobody would have blame him for it.

But he realized that he has some chance for pressure, and that Ian has spent his extra time on the clock. So he puts his gloves on for the last fight. Whether or not it is the right strategy, both in this particular game and regarding the situation of the match, it shows incredible courage and fighting spirit.

Also earlier in the same game he canceled an attack realizing that he would be overextending and Ian has everything to defend. That is really really hard to do when you are attacking and had an advantage a couple moves ago, to just hold back like that.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by bionsystem »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #143
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are they supposed to do, not have a world championship? It's happened before when Fischer refused to defend the title. And yet Karpov got the title without having beaten Fischer, who he probably wouldn't have beaten in a match even if Fischer was nutty bananas at the time. But at least he had played a match to win the candidates tournament at the time. This time around, Ian hadn't won a match, and so the match m…

I am inclined to think that Karpov would have very likely defeated Fischer, and that Fischer was afraid of losing to him.

Yes, it's hard to imagine Karpov losing this match.
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