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The layoffs are here for those who chose to ‘learn to code’

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Re: The layoffs are here for those who chose to ‘learn to code’

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There are a lot of "software engineers" who can't code well. I see a lot of "google and copy paste until it works and deploy". No thoughts behind design. No idea about performance. No testing. No innovation. They all need to go.

But I bet you these people sure can leetcode!

I'm sort of experiencing a weird paradoxical feeling about this. I was spied on by Google and given the FooBar test, which I passed... and until which time I would have never thought of myself as that type of programmer. I can comprehend design patterns, or even have an intuition, but I don't generally think of them upfront (maybe I do more in recent years, maybe it is a skill which can be developed). What I have always been is curious, and just trying stuff out until it works, which I feel like I've seen spoken of a lot. I'm a hackathon winner. I've collected half of the network engineering encyclopedia, which is not really considered when we think about 'programming' exclusively, yet is ironically compared to 'leetcode' here. I've worked on industrial applications. I've gone back to first principles and maths in this AI summer and I'm having fun. I had a previous professional life in music and I've been excited about algorithmic composition (et al) for decades. I have a love for math. That said, I've never felt like the big brain stats types or many of my colleagues in programming. And for that matter, many of that type (anecdotal) have never done the creative things I have in music, etc. So all in all, maybe there are different types of talents!

Re: The layoffs are here for those who chose to ‘learn to code’

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As a fellow developer who has been passionate about open-source programming since childhood, I was disgusted in this last hiring bubble how condescending and disrespectful the developers were towards other professions, which is disappointing. My general feeling was that it elevated developers to a seemingly different caste of "special" people, and here in my country (Brazil) there was advertisements everywhere about…

History rhymes. This whole thing was a repeat of the dotcom bubble. Back then it was 'learn web design!' Here too we had bootcamps to learn to code in weeks. At that point the bubble was reaching critical mass. Same damn thing happened before. I tried warning people- here on HN the sentiment was 'we are indisposable'. When the cost-cutting measures and hiring freezes began I tried warning again and was told 'its not…

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Re: The layoffs are here for those who chose to ‘learn to code’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry, the sweet irony is hitting those condescending tech-bros now too the same way it hit the condescending crypto/stock bros who kept preaching "the market only goes up", "to the moon" and, my personal favorite which I read on HN, "developer demand is infinite". How's that infinite demand working out now tech-bros? Just ask Twitter employees. https://imgur.com/a/ZSEl44o A lot of people working in tech were d…

> https://imgur.com/a/ZSEl44o I was around for the last 13 years, and I'm pretty certain that it was *self-identified left-leaning journalists* who told coal-miners "LearnToCode" and then got all huffy when they got told "#learntocode". Developers weren't taking part in this mess.

Don't forget Joe Biden, who needed a break because having the ability to go down into a mine and throw shit into a furnace obviously means that you can and presumably should learn to program instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRK0MyuuIM
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