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Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Because IRC still needs a lot of things to keep running (be usable) and works mostly for chat messages. NOSTR isn't twitter nor IRC, you can take your posts which can contain just about any type of data inside and build an art gallery, a forum or dump for meteorological information. You can scroll back in the past. It is up to the relay if they have interest in keeping your data or not. If nobody cares about your dat…

Does this mean that if I want a normal social media feed I need to program my own relay server? Or is there a relay server somewhere that I can tell to store the accounts I'm interested in? That seems like a major flaw. I've downloaded an app for nostr and I'm not very impressed with the posts on the main timeline. They mostly seem to spam cryptocurrency ads and bad memes, most of them carrying some kind of American…

Come on, that is just low effort trolling.

In any client you have the option to see "everything" that is passing, and it is a lot from just about every topic to the tab where you only see the people you follow.

Next time to a better effort to bad mouth Nostr.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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It is still very effective, it took you a day later to respond to the parent. OP Comment: 25 April 2023, 00:41:52 AM Yours: 26 April 2023, 03:18:06 AM I was expecting a response much earlier than that since the answer is very obvious. Instead you decided to come up with a typical anecdote which can easily be dismissed. The main fact is, almost everyone knows that you lose LOTS of users emailing you once a provider li…

> It is still very effective, it took you a day later to respond to the parent. My apologies for not being terminally online. > Instead you decided to come up with a typical anecdote which can easily be dismissed. Which is fair, but 1. It still makes your "silence" comment look premature, and 2. If even I can still get mails delivered to GMail inboxen as an ordinary person running a personal mail server, an actual (l…

> My apologies for not being terminally online.

So says the one with 9000+ HN points, sitting here for a decade and still commenting here every. day.

There's no need for you to apologize for making me laugh at you for not being able to look at the time and it's clear you're very upset over the *silence* comment.

> 1. It still makes your "silence" comment look premature, and

Premature to what? The answer is obvious to everyone and the link I gave earlier already explains the amount of email users one would lose if they were filtered and blacklisted from Gmail which is the whole point of the parent's comment.

If I were to collect lots of emails for a newsletter, I can guarantee you that most of them will be Gmail users and if my domain was blacklisted by Gmail, my reach will be significantly limited, either having it being sent straight into the spam folder or even outright blocked by Gmail by the advanced spam filters.

> 2. If even I can still get mails delivered to GMail inboxen as an ordinary person running a personal mail server, an actual (legitimate) business should have no trouble with that whatsoever.

But most people still go with centralized services as outlined by the article I gave earlier, and they don't run their own email services either. What if this 'actual (legitimate) business' is using GSuite, Exchange, etc which has the same anti-spam checks and blacklists as well?

> Do you have any examples of GMail blocking its own users from sending an email to a domain it doesn't like?

It has been known that GMail has a so-called 'dangerous url' list(s) to prevent its own users from sending emails to domains on their blacklist. [0] There are countless reports on social media which GMail blocks the sending of emails from such domains. Once example: [1], and another [2].

In both cases either way, the centralized email providers get to decide what goes through their spam filters and blacklists and that negatively affect those running their own email servers and trying to reach users that are on centralized email providers like Gmail. Henceforth such problems like this [3].

So in conclusion: Your reach will be significantly limited if you do not pass Gmail's spam filters (or any other of the major email providers filters) and users don't run their own services because: (1) They are not techies or sysadmins, (2) Even if they were they can't deal with the insurmountable spam issues and (3) They would rather sign up to a managed solution on a centralized platform than maintain it themselves. Hence this again: [4]

[0] https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/2696779#ts=92...

[1] https://twitter.com/rk_namo/status/1027469262556778497

[2] https://twitter.com/Marcia_Cat/status/1196387907172364295

[3] https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/13/23403259/google-gmail-re...

[4] https://mailchimp.com/resources/most-used-email-service-prov...

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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post #142

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> It is still very effective, it took you a day later to respond to the parent. My apologies for not being terminally online. > Instead you decided to come up with a typical anecdote which can easily be dismissed. Which is fair, but 1. It still makes your "silence" comment look premature, and 2. If even I can still get mails delivered to GMail inboxen as an ordinary person running a personal mail server, an actual (l…

> My apologies for not being terminally online. So says the one with 9000+ HN points, sitting here for a decade and still commenting here every. day. There's no need for you to apologize for making me laugh at you for not being able to look at the time and it's clear you're very upset over the *silence* comment. > 1. It still makes your "silence" comment look premature, and Premature to what? The answer is obvious to…

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Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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post #142

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> My apologies for not being terminally online. So says the one with 9000+ HN points, sitting here for a decade and still commenting here every. day. There's no need for you to apologize for making me laugh at you for not being able to look at the time and it's clear you're very upset over the *silence* comment. > 1. It still makes your "silence" comment look premature, and Premature to what? The answer is obvious to…

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Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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https://coracle.social is the client I work on. It's less well-known, but is pretty feature-complete.

It's way better than snort. Do you have an email somewhere? I would like to send you issues that will be shared with me.

My pubkey is npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn, feel free to send me a DM

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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post #121

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Because IRC still needs a lot of things to keep running (be usable) and works mostly for chat messages. NOSTR isn't twitter nor IRC, you can take your posts which can contain just about any type of data inside and build an art gallery, a forum or dump for meteorological information. You can scroll back in the past. It is up to the relay if they have interest in keeping your data or not. If nobody cares about your dat…

I’m not a publisher/journalist; I don’t have any posts. I’m a historian and archivist. And in those roles, I care about being able to retroactively access data that neither publishers nor relays considered to have value / be worth preserving at time of publication, but which instead was preserved due only to the “accident of history” of them publishing in a durable medium. Compare and contrast: digitized newspapers a…

I'm also an archivist. I've created http://arquiva.me/ from scratch which is archiving tweets (and other sources) related to people in Portugal. That archive preserves history in open format that anyone in the next centuries can access.

As archivist, we both need to pick our sources manually at some point. Nostr is quite a good tool for archives, since its format is flexible (long term preservation) and can work even fully offline.

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