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Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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post #89

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Privacy.com might help

Privacy.com is US only. And of course, Privacy.com "virtual cards" are still linked to your real-world identity.

How would it get tied to you from the search engine perspective? You can fill in fake information with a Privacy card. They'd have to do some pretty intense investigation to somehow tie the card number back to you...just to sell your information. Seems unproductive.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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I debated bringing up Kagi at the top level here, since I already commented on it in a reply, but honestly I really want them to succeed and shit like this is why. It's a paid search service, and I'm honestly really happy with that distinction and what it entails. Being paid means that they can deliver on and support features that users can use to get the best results for them, without worrying how those features may…

You need to realize that you like Kagi exactly because it has NOT been "succeeded", and you start to dislike DDG because it finally picks up popularity. Anything in the world that's used by large amount of users are guaranteed to piss off some portion of them, because they can only focus on limited amount of features. Google had been like that. Firefox had been like that. When 70% of Firefox users are non-techies, Fi…

Not the previous poster, but I'm a paid subscriber of Kagi and was previously a heavy user of DDG.

The key difference that the previous poster outlined and you're missing is that with Kagi, you're the customer, while with DDG, you're the product. Kagi is thus incentivized to improve their offering to better fit your needs as a user, while DDG is incentivized to better serve their customers the advertisers.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#144
post #47
post #42

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There is no meaningful competition, so reputation doesn't matter. Those people already left Google to use DDG. Where are they going to go now? Some random individual's hobby search engine with a crappy index? Some shady startup's Bing wrapper that promotes a crypto scam? There is no real competition in search (and in social media, and in email, and in operating systems, and in browsers, ...). Companies can do whateve…

> Those people already left Google to use DDG. Where are they going to go now? Back to Google?

Kagi, Brave, you.com, Phind.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#145

I debated bringing up Kagi at the top level here, since I already commented on it in a reply, but honestly I really want them to succeed and shit like this is why. It's a paid search service, and I'm honestly really happy with that distinction and what it entails. Being paid means that they can deliver on and support features that users can use to get the best results for them, without worrying how those features may…

You need to realize that you like Kagi exactly because it has NOT been "succeeded", and you start to dislike DDG because it finally picks up popularity. Anything in the world that's used by large amount of users are guaranteed to piss off some portion of them, because they can only focus on limited amount of features. Google had been like that. Firefox had been like that. When 70% of Firefox users are non-techies, Fi…

>Firefox had been like that. When 70% of Firefox users are non-techies, Firefox has to start focus on the privacy niche to survive.

Non-techies don't give a damn about privacy.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#146

I debated bringing up Kagi at the top level here, since I already commented on it in a reply, but honestly I really want them to succeed and shit like this is why. It's a paid search service, and I'm honestly really happy with that distinction and what it entails. Being paid means that they can deliver on and support features that users can use to get the best results for them, without worrying how those features may…

I think Kagi is great, but I’m paying on the order of €10 per month and was suddenly told yesterday that I exceeded my 1k requests quota. That’s not a great way of dealing with paying customers. Google warned me multiple times before they hiked my Workspace price.

I’m _this_ close to going back to DDG with the occasional Google drilldown.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#147
post #42

Ah yes, the classic corporate footgun. I am sure power users who are alienated will most definitely stay quiet and not complain to their peers, damaging the reputation of a once reliable tool. This has never happened before after all. :')

There is no meaningful competition, so reputation doesn't matter. Those people already left Google to use DDG. Where are they going to go now? Some random individual's hobby search engine with a crappy index? Some shady startup's Bing wrapper that promotes a crypto scam? There is no real competition in search (and in social media, and in email, and in operating systems, and in browsers, ...). Companies can do whateve…

As the top thread in this thread testifies, a lot of people including me moved from DDG to Kagi.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#148
post #104

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Yeah I was actually hoping for an answer that doesn't require blind trust. So the correct answer seems to be "we absolutely could link your searches to your identity, but we promise that we won't; however, you cannot verify that we are keeping that promise". Which I'm afraid is not good enough. To be clear, I'm not saying that they are lying, and indeed I have no reason to suspect they are. But I'm looking for techno…

Why not just have a payment method that isn't linked to you?

How do you realistically do that online, short of getting into crypto ?

I wonder if they'd even accept crypto, but their FAQ has nothing on their accepted payment and so it seems it needs an account even to just see that.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#149
post #51

Can anyone explain why Google and DuckDuckGo made this change? I don't see how this impacts them selling ads. My only thought is its technically expensive to support?

You mean Google and Bing. Must really suck to be DDG, being under the mercy of Bing but can't publicly blame these changes on them since they want to downplay their dependency.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#150
post #130

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DDG does not have a search engine, they have a frontend UI to Bing. Search API pricing from Microsoft is going up, so they either have to cut the complexity of queries or just not be in business.

This is an interesting detail - I was not aware Microsoft's pricing increased. That said, would this really increase complexity substantially? And as a nitpicky aside, if this was done in response to Microsoft's cuts, I should really have found out about this from DDG themselves, rather than a github repo commit. Though it does change the intent quite a bit.

Bing buckets queries into pricing tiers based on complexity.

Why on earth would DDG have any obligation or interest in telling you about their supplier pricing? You found out something that has little to no material impact on you from a post on a nerd site.

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