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Teach at a Community College

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Re: Teach at a Community College

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I looked into this, as I'm starting to burn out of working in the industry. The community colleges in my area require a surprising amount of prerequisites and pay _dismally_. Even with 15 years of industry experience, I'd need at least a year or two of additional schooling (while not being paid) to earn a paltry few hundred dollars per credit hour per semester while teaching. Hard sell to not get paid for a few years…

Full time, permanent staff teachers at our local CC make good money. Not "big tech" money by any means, but definitely a respectable salary above the average for the area.

The part time teachers make barely anything though.

Re: Teach at a Community College

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or less state funding: https://www.highereddive.com/news/state-funding-for-communit... > States are giving four-year colleges $63 million less in fiscal 2021 than they did last year, a 0.1% decline. Meanwhile, they’re cutting funding to two-year institutions by $457 million, a 2% decline. > Enrollment losses and pandemic-related expenses are buffeting community colleges’ budgets as these schools face cuts in state su…

State funding doesn’t matter as much for many CCs because they have local taxing authority, just like K-12 education. This is another reason why they are often significantly cheaper than a 4-yr school in the same state.

It depends on the state. I know of at least one state community college system.

Re: Teach at a Community College

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US-based community college is mostly just a bait and switch fraud. There inevitably are weed-out classes where you can be weeded out of programs or college entirely simply by having the unfortunate luck to attend them. Usually positioned in critical preparatory or transfer coursework needed for a degree program, its mostly not about knowing the material, but dealing with the disadvantaged structure, and having limited resources to attend college in the first place.

I've personal experience in an engineering program, where this was common practice in the 3-class core physics courses. 3 question-20step/q test where each subsequent question is dependent on the answer to the previous question. This is the causality spiral of doom, where you either get it perfect, or you don't pass, but you have to get it perfect 6 times in a row to pass the class. By the time you take the first test, you can't get a refund, and if the answer doesn't match perfectly with Pearson or Canvas's material, good luck you just wasted $10-15,000 in living expenses during the time you tried. Try again. and again. and maybe by time 8 or 10 you decide its just not a program for you anymore, and you run into the same issue with the supposedly easier classes in the business program, or drop out completely.

Some professors take it a step further by adjusting the rounding strategy between those questions instead of following the same significant digits. Its deceitful lying meant to sell you a pipe-dream which you'll never be able to complete unless you get lucky, and that's just one example. I've almost 15 years worth of examples, in a broad geographic area.

Its one of the most egregious deceitful lies we are told as people entering college. Education is only an investment when you can get something back from that investment. If you just need that paper because anyone without it is not qualified, then it doesn't matter what you know (as many professionals I've met have demonstrated they lacked crucial skills and had no inclination to fix their shortfalls).

Not even close to meritocracy, I've passed and completed up through DiffEQ and Linear Algebra math wise which require Calculus 3 as a pre-requisite. No issues with math, but I have yet to pass a Mechanics of Solid course because of structure. Its structured to fail people. Eventually people give up trying to be engineers and try business only to find the same thing in the economic's courses. Its such corrupt deceitful bad behavior, and impacts those who have to pay their own way through more than others.

I had an online econ class this past semester which had all the same hallmarks, worse, the professor was collecting a paycheck, and instead of lecturing simply referred us to Khan Academy movie links and Pearson's Autograder (which routinely failed on correct answers, and no exceptions were being made regardless, i.e. its the student not the professor or pearson were in the wrong).

Any other industry doing these same business practices would be sued or shut down for outright fraud and unfair and deceptive business practices. Because its state funded its somehow exempt from all those same rules. Also the only path to correct is escalating to the chair/dean/trustees rarely ever has any action taken. The people responsible for advocating are the same people that have let this continue for decades.

They don't track metrics that would quickly show problems so they can fix them. My local colleges say they don't track how many students in each class have taken the same class or professor before and failed, and the graduation rates as we all know are abyssal.

Re: Teach at a Community College

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There's sometimes a stigma, which we should get rid of. First, I had great instructors at Portland Community College. Also, in addition to what I learned there, an area company (Tektronix spinoff) happened to put a job post there for a co-op student, and it turned out to be a great company, doing big things, which launched my career. After later working and then going to fancy-pants schools, one day a professor disse…

I grew up pretty poor and never had hope that I could go to college...so I never tried in high school, and never took my SATs and was resigned to a life in lower paying non-career jobs. After a few years of this, I remember interviewing at a larger company for a position in their IT department. I didn't get the job, but the interviewer gave me life changing advice, "why don't you just go to the local CC?". I had no i…

I've had people give the same advice, and was only met with fraud and weed-out classes, structured in a way so that every simple misstep snowballs to failure. 15+ years of effort and resources with nothing to show to employers other than a transcript of Ws or Fs on those weedout courses which are required to even transfer, some repeated 8-10 times at different colleges and with different teachers. The same structural issues.

I hear this is less of a problem in Europe, but in the US, education is a farce. Wherever you are from, I'm glad it worked out for you.

I ended up dropping out and getting into IT, self learning system's theory along the way, and after a decade am back to trying to get a degree because a lot of employer's won't look at you if you don't have one. Or worse, they'll say you aren't qualified (despite having a decade of direct experience), and low-ball offer the already low salary (50% off). There are some truly despicable people out there.

Re: Teach at a Community College

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This is a dream of mine. I'd love to do it and help teach people. How does someone with a normal BS + industry experience get into this?

AFAICT, you don't. I reached out to the local CC years ago, with a resume of 20+ yoe in industry; a list of educational clients including NASA, IBM; local clients, industry certs; etc. The response was "Impressive resume! Come back when you have a Master's degree." So, screw them...

Same experience. All I wanted to teach was intro to C. I took the class online. The professor’s whiteboard was MS paint. He didn’t have a Wacom or touch screen with a pen, he used the mouse. You could not tell what he was writing 80% of the time. Lectures were supposed to be 90min but they were 3h long because the guy would not stop rambling about random stuff. The classes were really bad. No one was getting anything. The assignments were very ambiguous yet strictly graded.

I already knew C and all the content of the class, so students started reaching out to me for help, the ones that cared at least.

The failure rate of the class was something like 70%… for an intro class. Madness. So I decided I wanted to help and maybe I could teach this a few hours a week. But no, they want someone with a PhD and it pays 38k (full time). No wonder they can only get people like that professor to teach that. You have to be either nuts or very passionate, in this case I got the first one.

That’s not to say all of them are like that, my algebra professor was the best one I’ve ever had.

Re: Teach at a Community College

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US-based community college is mostly just a bait and switch fraud. There inevitably are weed-out classes where you can be weeded out of programs or college entirely simply by having the unfortunate luck to attend them. Usually positioned in critical preparatory or transfer coursework needed for a degree program, its mostly not about knowing the material, but dealing with the disadvantaged structure, and having limite…

I’ve also dropped out of college the first time I tried it, and I don’t agree with the way we teach and I surely think there are better ways. But it seems like you’re externalizing a personal problem to the whole system. 15 years in school, in the US, including community colleges maybe shows that you either had the wrong mindset or you tend to blame others for things that may be you. It’s very common btw.

The schools in the US are much easier than many. Try going to a public school in Argentina. 4h long lectures, theory of limit in the third class of calc. Proving theorems. Here? Sign in to Pearson and do some exercises.

Re: Teach at a Community College

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I looked into this, as I'm starting to burn out of working in the industry. The community colleges in my area require a surprising amount of prerequisites and pay _dismally_. Even with 15 years of industry experience, I'd need at least a year or two of additional schooling (while not being paid) to earn a paltry few hundred dollars per credit hour per semester while teaching. Hard sell to not get paid for a few years…

Even if you've got the prerequisites in hand to teach on a topic, the pay is just laughable. You're likely expected to lecture, develop a full curriculum, grade their work, and hold office hours. Easily a few hours a week for every "credit hour".

I had a friend who taught at our local comm college for a few semesters and worked out the pay to be less than $7/hr. For an advanced almost graduate-level IT topic. It's a joke. His advice - if you want to teach, do it as a volunteer. Don't hold any illusions about getting compensated.

Re: Teach at a Community College

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I taught Celullar Networks and Android Internals at my alma mater just this past semester and can relate with TFA. It took 4 to 6 hours of prep to deliver a one hour class. Preparing from existing course materials available online or from YouTube and Wikipedia was the fastest as opposed to going through the text books. I found it very hard to know when to go fast and when to go slow, what to skip and what to include.…

Is your android internals course available somewhere? It is a topic I have been meaning to learn more and there is not much out there that is up to date.

Unfortunately, it isn't; but multiple volumes available at http://newandroidbook.com are plenty enough for a beginner to get started. I also quite like Karim Yaghmour's Embedded Android which compares Android and generic Linux distros, but it is in urgent need of a new edition. Docs at https://source.android.com/ and in the sub-folders at https://cs.android.com/ are super neat; various Linaro.org, Linux Plumber Conf, and Google blogs / presentations on Android also have quite a few gems.

Android is vast and changes rapidly. Do you have a specific sub-system (like the runtime, graphics, audio, camera, telephony, system-services, ipc etc) in mind?

Re: Teach at a Community College

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US-based community college is mostly just a bait and switch fraud. There inevitably are weed-out classes where you can be weeded out of programs or college entirely simply by having the unfortunate luck to attend them. Usually positioned in critical preparatory or transfer coursework needed for a degree program, its mostly not about knowing the material, but dealing with the disadvantaged structure, and having limite…

I’ve also dropped out of college the first time I tried it, and I don’t agree with the way we teach and I surely think there are better ways. But it seems like you’re externalizing a personal problem to the whole system. 15 years in school, in the US, including community colleges maybe shows that you either had the wrong mindset or you tend to blame others for things that may be you. It’s very common btw. The schools…

Unfortunately, this is the tendency, to always blame the student because its their fault not the systems fault. You must be doing something wrong, I've heard it all. It took me two decades to find out these were lies.

Sure there are some classes where I had to withdraw because I'm paying for it myself, working a full time job alongside all my classes, with no family support, largely because my parent decided to rob my college fund. Scholarships and grants not an option because my parent makes too much and that's calculated even though they aren't providing any support.

Is it my fault that the units for the classes were misrepresented so a 3 unit course requires 22 hours a week to complete instead of the 9 its supposed to? (Can you do 16 weeks straight of 62 hour work weeks perfectly?)

Or the fact that questions on tests may have 3/5 correct answers, but only 1 real answer and they don't communicate the necessary context to find the real answer. (i.e. they don't teach what you are tested on).

Or the autograder attached to the class marking correct answers wrong, and because each student has randomized questions for the same assignment the teacher doesn't do their job.

Or the test material not being covered at all in preparation, and repeat students selling exams inside the class with the tacit approval of the instructor because she doesn't change it year to year, and the chair and dean do nothing about the academic dishonesty because the dean or chair is new in the job and the professor has seniority?

Or the class has a general 12% pass rate, and those 12% are people who have made many attempts, with one on those on their 6th attempt?

Surely these are all issues with the student having personal issues? /s Mind you, each one of these happened at a different local community college so its not even just one college.

Its not the whole coursework ecosystem, its critical coursework that's needed to transfer and complete that degree. Specific bottlenecks that everyone has to go through because its required. In engineering it was physics, the Mechanics, Electricity and Magnetism, and Light trifecta coursework. In business it was economics.

There is nothing personal about structure.

What's galling is I can derive Maxwells equations, and yet can't pass the physics courses, and Pearson sucks, they also intentionally embed dark patterns, and 30-40% of their testing material doesn't track with their practice, and they introduce new tools in the tests which are also broken. Worse, Pearson shifts their auditing to the student. I had questions where the test question changed after submission where I recorded it. Not enough evidence for the teacher to do anything. Yeah video evidence isn't enough, what will be?.

Its a systemic problem, and it has nothing to do with the student. They have optimized to snowball fail you. It was not just me either, there were hundreds maybe thousands, and there was a group trying to change this but the trustees never listened.

Classwork for degrees are supposed to be determinable so long as you know the material and are taught that material. In each of these cases, either it wasn't determinable (which btw is a system's property thing, it has a very specific definition), or they didn't teach the material. Either way you cut it, its fraud. They receive money for something (instruction and testing), and don't provide what they said, and due process doesn't exist because the people you report issues to are not obligated to act on them. They also happen to often be teachers who will receive social retribution if they do act (a common bureacratic issue).

I had no problems with Calculus, differentiation, double integration, series, multivariate, ordinary differential equations, no problem. I can prove theorems, systems of equations. I just can't pass the physics they have structured because of how its structured.

The point is the vast majority for the failures have nothing to do with me personally. Its simply the person who set up a course structure so once a single unexpected misstep occurs, you fail the class. They are optimizing for repeat customers and least work, and its fraud when a reasonable person knowing the material can't pass the course, and instruction and testing lack crucial integrity. If you cannot provide perfection, you don't pass; and I hope I don't have to tell you how asinine that is.

There has never been any accountability in the education system and the student is left with no effective means of controlling basic academic outcomes. That's what it comes down to.

Mind you many professional certifications have the exact same issues. Incidentally who do you think handles that? (Pearson).

So you are told, you will have no work opportunities if you don't hold a degree, or you don't have a professional certification, and they make it nigh impossible to get either. What's the problem here?

This shouldn't be happening, and yet its been allowed to continue for a generation (20 years). I know a few American's who travelled overseas (EU) to get their degrees because its less corrupt and dishonest than what's available locally.

When tallying my expenses so far (without a degree), I've spent roughly $280,000* on trying to get a degree and while I'm 2/3 there to a business degree, I still don't have it. If you factor in the value of money if I had invested that over the same time period, that's easily over a million dollars. An investment in a nonexistent future sold as a lie because it took decades instead of the 4 that were advertised. All that additional income that's needed for critical life things like buying your first home, getting married, having kids, all not possible if you don't have the income to support it.

Most people just drop out and cut their losses, I just wanted to build things... and I never had the chance because it was stolen through fraud with no accountability. There are many people out there just like me, but there's no visibility on the problem because they don't collect metrics that would show there is a problem. Instead they blame the student and claim they don't have enough resources at the taxpayers expense. Its the same shill argument that we fail because we don't have enough, when they'll never have enough, because its a systemic issue.

* Includes living expenses during that time.

Re: Teach at a Community College

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I'd love to see an update. 2016 doesn't seem like long ago but in the labor markets and advent of TikTok I'm curious to see what the industry (higher ed) looks like compared to trade schools w/ TikTok channel on the side or something. I've met a ton of folks who, like me, decided to sail off into the sunset and started a youtube channel and now that's all they do and are thriving. I decided against the channel and in…

>I've met a ton of folks who, like me, decided to sail off into the sunset and started a youtube channel and now that's all they do and are thriving. That is very surprising to me, and I am a reasonably-successful YouTuber. For nearly everyone, YouTube is not a viable career path. It’s not even a viable path to making money. Any money. YouTube is the most saturated market that I know of. There are almost no barriers…

because of all the hard work you just described. Sailing channels boil down to 2 sub-genres that are successful. Boat Projects. Babes in Butt Bikinis. I'm too old for butt bikini's and I'm not proficient enough to guide you through my frankenstein boat projects. It's not about making money from YouTube itself. It's about directing your viewers to avenues where the odds are in your favor. Patreon, Merch sales, Monthly subscriptions, even a little OnlyFan's if that's your jam. YouTube is like public broadcasting. Your content brings the audience. It's up to you to compel them to visit another site and part ways with that money beyond $0.0000001/view.
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