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Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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If you think AI is a disaster, think about the potential for medical breakthroughs that can emerge from this. The “think of the good” argument is over played. Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. I’d like it if people just stopped with it. People aren’t idiots, they know good things and very bad things can be achieved.

> Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. Climate change is a serious issue, but you cheapen and discredit it by exaggerating its impact. There is zero chance climate change will cause humans to go extinct. If my stance is incorrect, please reply with some evidence.

You're being pedantic. Sure, there's zero chance humans will actually go extinct; instead, the climatic effects and then the ensuing breakdown in society leading up to thermonuclear war will "only" wipe out 99% of the population, leaving some bands of survivors to live in the rubble. In 10,000 years, humans will still be around, living in small tribes just as they were 1M years ago, and unable to regain ever regain the level of technology they had before because easy-to-access energy sources are all depleted so a new industrial revolution is impossible. For all intents and purposes, humans as a global society will be extinct, even if the species itself isn't. Perhaps our descendants will evolve into aquatic creatures with smaller heads and brains.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Well said, this thing is here to stay. When I first played around with gpt-4 I was filled with immense dread. I, as many others have, immediately understood what kind of enormous societal impact this would have. But I put the question to myself, if I could magically wish this thing away, would I? I wouldn't. I understand the many that would, this thing completely upends the status quo. Massive swathes of people will…

"Every underprivileged child could have a personalized tutor." Tutor for what, prompt engineering? The impact of this on the kids is hard to fathom and just because "similar" advancements in the past opened up doors does not mean this one will as well.

I think it's more that the (ad-riddles, SEO-centric) internet is no longer the education tool it used to be, but chatgpt is. I asked it to walk me through cross-compiling for an old NAS, how to setup Ethernet over coaxial in my custom setup, what legal advice.I should take,etc etc. It did not give perfect answers, but the answers were good enough to build upon, and after working with of for so long, it really feels like it's a friend that's trying to help.

I can definitely picture this being a personal tutor to a child

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Well said, this thing is here to stay. When I first played around with gpt-4 I was filled with immense dread. I, as many others have, immediately understood what kind of enormous societal impact this would have. But I put the question to myself, if I could magically wish this thing away, would I? I wouldn't. I understand the many that would, this thing completely upends the status quo. Massive swathes of people will…

"Every underprivileged child could have a personalized tutor." Tutor for what, prompt engineering? The impact of this on the kids is hard to fathom and just because "similar" advancements in the past opened up doors does not mean this one will as well.

Do you have kids? My young child wants to "ask the AI" stuff all the time - which is a relief, because I'd much prefer that over giving them full Internet access until they're mature enough. AI is a huge accelerant for childhood learning.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Yes, I am absolutely suggesting that. Not all engines but petroleum fuelled combustion engines, yes. The world is going through a mass extinction event because of burning oil and coal and combustion engines have been an absolutely integral part of that ecological disaster. So yes. Just be real about it? Why do “EV” subsidies exist? To wean us off combustion engines to save the planet. Combustion engines should’ve bee…

>Yes, I am absolutely suggesting that. Alright unabomber. What an unhinged statement that is. Combustion engine that is arguably one of the major causes of reducing poverty everywhere is a bad thing, I tell you hwat! I love how you people(and it's generally people from developed countries too lol) can't think beyond your own needs and POVs. Yeah man, how dare the poor people in developing and impoverished nations inc…

I'm not going to get upset about your ignorant statements, but you should be easily able to realize that we could've achieved similar results with electric systems a long time ago.

We could've deployed nuclear a long time ago, wind etc. We could've used and invested further in electric tractors 50 years ago.

You're conflating what I'm saying, I'm not saying technology wasn't helpful, I'm saying the internal combustion engine, sucked and still sucks and that we need to be careful when deploying technology at scale.

It wasn't just the internal combustion engine that has been a problem, oil wars, dictators, lead based fuels, deaths from air pollute, these thing have caused incredible amounts of harm.

Lastly, we're not also out of the woods yet, it's not over, go look at some climate charts and look at the trajectory we're on, the world is getting hotter, faster. Also strip mining the world for lithium and cobalt will also have massive implications for the planet.

I know we like to think we're clever, but we're rarely wise.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

#145
post #14

Easier said when you collect royalties from a 50y+ catalogue of quality music for yourself.

Not only that he’s 73 years old. Hard to believe he’d feel this way starting out his career. He has nothing to lose at this point.

Possibly true. On the other hand, I think there's something laudable about a man in his mid-70s embracing new technology and looking for the good in it.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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>Yes, I am absolutely suggesting that. Alright unabomber. What an unhinged statement that is. Combustion engine that is arguably one of the major causes of reducing poverty everywhere is a bad thing, I tell you hwat! I love how you people(and it's generally people from developed countries too lol) can't think beyond your own needs and POVs. Yeah man, how dare the poor people in developing and impoverished nations inc…

I'm not going to get upset about your ignorant statements, but you should be easily able to realize that we could've achieved similar results with electric systems a long time ago. We could've deployed nuclear a long time ago, wind etc. We could've used and invested further in electric tractors 50 years ago. You're conflating what I'm saying, I'm not saying technology wasn't helpful, I'm saying the internal combustio…

For our civilization the time to proliferate electric engines before ICEs is gone, though. I have to wonder if there's something inherit to the properties/efficiency of petroleum combustion that ensures that intelligent civilization will proliferate it first over electric engines.

It sounds like the bottleneck is lack of foresight. Our ancestors were incapable of seeing the end result of ICEs everywhere when they were first used. How is any future civilization supposed to combat this when they aren't handed the correct answer by some forebearer civilization that destroyed itself first? It feels like not only humans but all future intelligent life with access to petroleum would fall into this trap over and over again.

It's as if the only way to avoid the current scenario is to discover all the petroleum and then not touch it for the rest of time. About the only guardrail that could incentivize that behavior in my mind is the blind faith of religion.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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"Every underprivileged child could have a personalized tutor." Tutor for what, prompt engineering? The impact of this on the kids is hard to fathom and just because "similar" advancements in the past opened up doors does not mean this one will as well.

Do you have kids? My young child wants to "ask the AI" stuff all the time - which is a relief, because I'd much prefer that over giving them full Internet access until they're mature enough. AI is a huge accelerant for childhood learning.

Either way you'd have to be watching what the kid was asking and making sure what they found was accurate and appropriate. I don't think I'd trust an AI trained on random crap found on the internet to teach my children unattended any more than I'd trust youtube's algorithm to feed them video suggestions all day without oversight.

Not only would I be risking my kids being exposed to things that were outright wrong or entirely inappropriate, but I'd also be missing the opportunity to discuss their questions and the answers with them, provide context, and learn new things myself in the process.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Do you have kids? My young child wants to "ask the AI" stuff all the time - which is a relief, because I'd much prefer that over giving them full Internet access until they're mature enough. AI is a huge accelerant for childhood learning.

Either way you'd have to be watching what the kid was asking and making sure what they found was accurate and appropriate. I don't think I'd trust an AI trained on random crap found on the internet to teach my children unattended any more than I'd trust youtube's algorithm to feed them video suggestions all day without oversight. Not only would I be risking my kids being exposed to things that were outright wrong or…

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Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have kids? My young child wants to "ask the AI" stuff all the time - which is a relief, because I'd much prefer that over giving them full Internet access until they're mature enough. AI is a huge accelerant for childhood learning.

Either way you'd have to be watching what the kid was asking and making sure what they found was accurate and appropriate. I don't think I'd trust an AI trained on random crap found on the internet to teach my children unattended any more than I'd trust youtube's algorithm to feed them video suggestions all day without oversight. Not only would I be risking my kids being exposed to things that were outright wrong or…

Sounds like school.

Re: Peter Gabriel: AI competition statement

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Either way you'd have to be watching what the kid was asking and making sure what they found was accurate and appropriate. I don't think I'd trust an AI trained on random crap found on the internet to teach my children unattended any more than I'd trust youtube's algorithm to feed them video suggestions all day without oversight. Not only would I be risking my kids being exposed to things that were outright wrong or…

Sounds like school.

Thankfully teachers don't usually get their degrees by reading social media posts and whatever else they happened to find on the internet. That said, you should absolutely be paying attention to what your kids are (and more importantly aren't) being taught in schools too.
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