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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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I wondered if the killer knew him. That area of city is not a sketchy one, and while random violence can happen anywhere it just seemed unlikely, esp given descriptions that he would be unlikely to resist a mugging (and provoke an escalation). Glad they got their man!

The article says they were driving together in the same car, before a dispute ensued, which resulted in Lee being stabbed by Momeni.

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The number of high profile tech bros on Twitter using the death to further their own views was disgraceful. SF may have big issues but using someone’s murder to further your political beliefs is horrible. I’m sure we won’t hear any retraction though.

> SF may have big issues but using someone’s murder to further your political beliefs is horrible. What political beliefs are you referring to? The one about SF's crime wave sounds precisely on topic, for example. Edit: those downvotes were very quick.

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

> including current faves Austin and Miami

Austin has 2.57 murders and nonnegligent manslaughters per 100K. Same year, SF has 6.35 per 100K. So SF is twice as bad as Austin. Your right about Miami though.

But 6.35 isn't bad. The murder rate in St Louis (for comparision to the US city with the worst) is 66.07 per 100K. And Colima Mexico (worst in the world maybe) is 182 murders per 100K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rat...

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

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Crime != violent crime.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Yes, let's jump straight to other conclusions now.

Yes. That's why the comment section is here.

There's such a thing as tact and respecting his widow and kids than to jump straight to scandalous speculations that besmirch his integrity, which are easy to make but in poor taste.

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Your linked article and the OP indicate that this was a case of an assault leading to another more brutal assault.

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Yes, violence against homeless people is not only an under-reported phenomenon, its link to inciting further violence and crime is also under-reported. Thank you for highlighting it, if a little indirectly.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

It feels a bit like you're championing a narrative of "See, it's not so bad! You'll just get your stuff stolen and your car vandalized!" I wouldn't feel so smug about that. I lived in SF for ~15 years, experienced multiple car breakins (when I had a car) and one weird guy who walked up to me on the street and said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you" (which I somehow calmly ignored). For the record, I didn't com…

You just extrapolated that narrative up in your head. The OP said nothing that remotely hinted at that.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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I have a family member who is a police officer (investigator) in another country. I was telling them about this killing and how crazy things seemed in San Francisco during my last visit.

His first and only response was "well, how do you know that's even related? Most people get killed by somebody they know." and I was like "well, yeah, but San Francisco is bad right now" and the conversation moved on.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

It's quite high for overall crime though. Crime Rate(per 1,000 residents): https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/jacksonville/crime - 33.76 https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/in/indianapolis/crime - 42.52 https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime - 54.33 as a reference point: https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mi/detroit/crime - 59.01

"Overall crime" and "violent crime" are not the same thing. No one is arguing against there being a lot of property crime.
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