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UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by carlmr »

Arch-TK wrote: post #47

Recently at Stansted I had an encounter with a security staff member who was of the opinion that both clotted cream and butter were liquids. (Note, I wasn't the one trying to get either of these onto the plane.) Her entire argument seemed to rest on the case that they were spreadable. I don't think she did well in GCSE physics.

Reminds me of getting my peanut butter taken away, because butter is dairy.

For all the fuss about whether oat milk should be called milk, there are people of room temperature IQ level intelligence that get confused by peanut butter.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by nebula8804 »

a2tech wrote: post #94
locallost wrote: post #12

I flew yesterday and in the plane realized I had some water from my daughter in the backpack. It was scanned and missed of course. And why wouldn't they miss it, it's a waste of time anyway. But at least they harassed a 3-year old to stand in a certain way to get scanned and fail at it. Unrelated, but I've come to believe it's a form of social welfare. So much policing for nothing, not just airports, wars on drugs et…

Its a jobs program for the unemployable. That and political pork. The TSA is a complete failure at every level and is laughably bad at everything but draining money from the taxpayer and stepping on citizens rights. We should go back to metal detectors staffed by airport provided staff and scan checked bags for bombs (which is something that actually kind of works).

At the very least we got some funny pop culture jokes out of it. One of my favorites scenes from The Boondocks makes fun of this.

[1]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dalD7_hSXeM

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by [deleted] »

the__alchemist wrote: post #136
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The liquid bomb threat really is the thing that conspiracy theorists would love: it's a totally made up possible threat by the Big State that hasn't been seen in the wild Incorrect. Betwee 2006 and 2010, seven people were convicted in the uk for conspiring to attack passenger airplanes with liquid explosives (acetone peroxide according to wikipedia). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_pl...

The phase of matter doesn't strike me as an appropriate level of granularity.

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Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by vladvasiliu »

cjrp wrote: post #99
vladvasiliu wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be a sample size of one and whatnot, but as a European, the best security experience I've had has been in the US (LAX), by far. In my neck of the woods, I have to take out basically everything from my carry-on. Laptop, camera, lenses, you name it, they want it out. Phone, keys, ditto. They usually ask for the belt to come out, too, and sometimes even the shoes. And this is even for internal flights. LAX, by co…

Even at airports where you have to take things out, there are ways of making it work. Big, clear signs in multiple languages/with pictures showing what you have to do, lots of "work surfaces" to reorganise your bag without blocking the queue behind you, staff that are there to help not just to bark at you, etc.

> lots of "work surfaces" to reorganise your bag without blocking the queue behind you

Yeah, this is what I've actually never seen in Europe. They mostly just expect you to pack everything back up quickly and tend to be annoyed if it takes some time. Which it usually does because I have to collect my belongings from several trays, some of which may have gone to additional checks, so they don't all come back together.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by rhuru »

locallost wrote: post #12

I flew yesterday and in the plane realized I had some water from my daughter in the backpack. It was scanned and missed of course. And why wouldn't they miss it, it's a waste of time anyway. But at least they harassed a 3-year old to stand in a certain way to get scanned and fail at it. Unrelated, but I've come to believe it's a form of social welfare. So much policing for nothing, not just airports, wars on drugs et…

TSA and Public education is jobs program for otherwise unemployable.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by HopenHeyHi »

seszett wrote: post #17
danielbln wrote: post #11

One of the few great benefits of going through Ben Gurion Airport in TelAviv is that due to their alternative approach to security (and profiling) noone gives a damn about your liquids. Want to go through the scanner holding a super gulp with a bag full of liquids? Go right ahead.

First rule at Ben Gurion is "don't be Arab" though. So maybe their "alternative approach" works for you, but it does have some downsides.

If you actually want to be informed on the subject I highly recommend:

How to Design Impenetrable Airport Security by Wendover Productions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y1kJpHBn50, 14 minutes, well researched)

Doesn't appear to have any downsides, appears to be logical, effective, and necessary. Appeals to emotion not withstanding.

If you have any good faith suggestions for improvement after watching this I'd be all ears.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by tgv »

seszett wrote: post #17
danielbln wrote: post #11

One of the few great benefits of going through Ben Gurion Airport in TelAviv is that due to their alternative approach to security (and profiling) noone gives a damn about your liquids. Want to go through the scanner holding a super gulp with a bag full of liquids? Go right ahead.

First rule at Ben Gurion is "don't be Arab" though. So maybe their "alternative approach" works for you, but it does have some downsides.

Or be a tall, blonde Western European with a suspicious stamp in your passport. They'll question you at length and open your photo camera, film roll or not. The stamp was from Qatar or UAE, can't remember.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by deegles »

locallost wrote: post #12

I flew yesterday and in the plane realized I had some water from my daughter in the backpack. It was scanned and missed of course. And why wouldn't they miss it, it's a waste of time anyway. But at least they harassed a 3-year old to stand in a certain way to get scanned and fail at it. Unrelated, but I've come to believe it's a form of social welfare. So much policing for nothing, not just airports, wars on drugs et…

I had to throw away my nice Leatherman Micra (because of the tiny blade) at an airport because I forgot it was in my carry on, only to sit at a restaurant next to the gate and be given a full size serrated steak knife with my meal...

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by HopenHeyHi »

zidad wrote: post #71
andreiii wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ethnicity is irrelevant actually. Don't be associated with trouble makers.

I don't associate with trouble makers, that's your racist bias. I work with palestinian students and software developers.

It is a degrees of separation thing. Logically derived and proven to be effective. Very hard to argue with the last part.

I understand how someone who has been inconvienced might perceive it differently but that in and of itself is by design and "priced in" as the goal is not to make 100% of travelers feel good but rather keep 100% of travelers safe.

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