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Post by dragonwriter »

lolinder wrote: post #130
uncletaco wrote: post #35

At what point did we stop making fun of that 10x engineer thread and started taking it seriously? Who forgot that 10x was a silly little thing that made zero sense in the real world?

As far as I know the 10x number was made popular by Fred Brooks, not a meme, and it has pretty real applications: > Programming managers have long recognized wide productivity variations between good programmers and poor ones. But the actual measured magnitudes have astounded all of us. In one of their studies, Sackman, Erikson, and Grant were measuring perfor- mances of a group of experienced programmers. Within jus…

> He goes on to explain that because the primary cost in software development is the overhead of coordinating minds, a company is far better off paying for just a few really good programmers than they are 10 times that number of mediocre ones.

If that’s really the primary cost, surely one of the metrics they studied variation in is the coordination cost imposed by the programmer on the company, they didn’t just naively assume the cost was the same but output different, right?

Because it seems like if it does vary, you’d want to minimize it by hiring the easiest to coordinate, and that might offset output differences in sone cases.

Re: Command line functions around OpenAI

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Post by anthomtb »

uncletaco wrote: post #35

At what point did we stop making fun of that 10x engineer thread and started taking it seriously? Who forgot that 10x was a silly little thing that made zero sense in the real world?

I worked with a guy who was reputed as a 10x engineer.

After about 6 months on his team it became apparent that he was very good at communicating to his management, very good at writing excess complexity into his code, and very good at preventing the developers he was leading from taking on large or impactful projects.

My takeaway was that he was more of a "turn-everyone-else-into-1/10X" developer. I jumped onto a different team as soon as the opportunity came up (as did most of the folks who worked with him).

Re: Command line functions around OpenAI

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Post by charles_f »

roenxi wrote: post #10

Being efficient at writing code can barely make someone a 5x engineer. A team of people who write code effectively is easy to do. Hyperproductivity in software is all about deciding what problems to tackle. Richard Hipp isn't worried about chipotle restaurant orders in golang, he's worried about how to store data reliably. That isn't a coding puzzle that ChatGTP is likely to help with. Either ChatGTP can do the whole…

I vastly read that as a wacky joke though.

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Post by m3kw9 »

nicpottier wrote: post #26
roenxi wrote: post #10

Being efficient at writing code can barely make someone a 5x engineer. A team of people who write code effectively is easy to do. Hyperproductivity in software is all about deciding what problems to tackle. Richard Hipp isn't worried about chipotle restaurant orders in golang, he's worried about how to store data reliably. That isn't a coding puzzle that ChatGTP is likely to help with. Either ChatGTP can do the whole…

I mean saying that using ChatGPT will make you one of the most elite coders in the world is a pretty high bar no? I have been skeptical about all this, but decided to play with using ChatGPT for coding a task I had. It wasn't perfect, either in workflow or in final results but what was clear was that not adopting it will very quickly make you lag behind your peers. I think the additive bonus is especially high for se…

Chatgpt is an amazing learning tool, currently it helped me understand scripting very quickly and expanded what I was never would thought to do.

I know I could have used google but the way google presented me is not easy to find and digest, you have ads, you have article that is not exactly what you are looking for and the code examples are not exact. Gpt eliminates all that time and effort. It almost eliminates laziness

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Post by Alex3917 »

bckr wrote: post #131
Alex3917 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being efficient at writing code can barely make someone a 5x engineer. In a winner-take-all economy, usually the winner is the person with the ability to do something the slowest. Not always, but usually.

Say more

Usually the person with the ability to create the best products and services is the one with the deepest reservoir of background knowledge and aesthetic taste that they can apply to a given problem.

So, for example, someone who can productively spend 100 hours working on a blog post is probably going to get win out against someone who can only productively spend 5 hours working a blog post on the same topic.

And given a society where 99% of the rewards go to 1st place, 1% of the rewards go to 2nd place, and 0% of the rewards go to everyone else, having this ability is usually more valuable than the ability to pump out a little more work in some fixed amount of time.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

roenxi wrote: post #10

Being efficient at writing code can barely make someone a 5x engineer. A team of people who write code effectively is easy to do. Hyperproductivity in software is all about deciding what problems to tackle. Richard Hipp isn't worried about chipotle restaurant orders in golang, he's worried about how to store data reliably. That isn't a coding puzzle that ChatGTP is likely to help with. Either ChatGTP can do the whole…

Came here to say this.

Over my career, the higher up the pay grade I went, the less actual code I was writing and the more it was figuring out what to do, what's priority, how the existing code all fits together, evaluating risk, and how to make the right surgical incisions to accomplish the goals.

Glorious and quite rare is the moment when a problem is clearly written up by a PM and the codebase is greenfield or clear enough that just pumping out code is happening and taking up my day.

Most senior software engineers are less programmer and more analyst.

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Post by IncRnd »

roenxi wrote: post #10

Being efficient at writing code can barely make someone a 5x engineer. A team of people who write code effectively is easy to do. Hyperproductivity in software is all about deciding what problems to tackle. Richard Hipp isn't worried about chipotle restaurant orders in golang, he's worried about how to store data reliably. That isn't a coding puzzle that ChatGTP is likely to help with. Either ChatGTP can do the whole…

It's ChatGPT, not ChatGTP. GPT stands for generative pre-trained transformer. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_pre-trained_transfo...

Re: Command line functions around OpenAI

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Post by m3kw9 »

nicpottier wrote: post #26
roenxi wrote: post #10

Being efficient at writing code can barely make someone a 5x engineer. A team of people who write code effectively is easy to do. Hyperproductivity in software is all about deciding what problems to tackle. Richard Hipp isn't worried about chipotle restaurant orders in golang, he's worried about how to store data reliably. That isn't a coding puzzle that ChatGTP is likely to help with. Either ChatGTP can do the whole…

I mean saying that using ChatGPT will make you one of the most elite coders in the world is a pretty high bar no? I have been skeptical about all this, but decided to play with using ChatGPT for coding a task I had. It wasn't perfect, either in workflow or in final results but what was clear was that not adopting it will very quickly make you lag behind your peers. I think the additive bonus is especially high for se…

You need to use it now because it works, not perfect but it reached the 80/20 for enough things, and you still need to do the last 20. Even if not, it will get you some gains if you use it when it fits
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