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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by quincunx »

Mumps wrote: post #124
panick21_ wrote: post #104

One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical. Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys? ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?

I find it far more frustrating the shift to half-sized arrow keys - when the space is also clearly already there. The r-shift key could be chopped up, or removed entirely, to accommodate a full-sized up-arrow.

For some (myself) the right shift key is the main shift key; so doing away with it would be terrible. Typically holding it down with the right pinky while typing full speed ahead, as well as single movement stroke patterns for {}?"+_ and so on, so heavy on all caps C snake case type use (if that makes sense.)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by oriolid »

Aachen wrote: post #43
notRobot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong. It's a 16:10 screen. CEO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35280523

Ugh. After over a decade of work, everything was finally adapted to or made for 16:9, now they're going after hipster ratios? Not a deal breaker but a bummer. Interesting that phones are going the other way, so now we can enjoy letterboxes on both platforms and not be able to reach the notification drawer. What was so wrong with 16:9 that we needed another competing standard that's just slightly off...

To me looks like the era of standard aspect ratios ended some years ago and the new standard is varying aspect ratio and notches or holes somewhere

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by oriolid »

codedokode wrote: post #113
Aachen wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh. After over a decade of work, everything was finally adapted to or made for 16:9, now they're going after hipster ratios? Not a deal breaker but a bummer. Interesting that phones are going the other way, so now we can enjoy letterboxes on both platforms and not be able to reach the notification drawer. What was so wrong with 16:9 that we needed another competing standard that's just slightly off...

What 16:9 is good for? It is inconvenient for any work: for coding, reading articles or working with documents more height is better. Please explain for what kind of activity wide, but low height screen is the most suitable? The only thing that comes to mind is killing time by watching videos on social networks sites.

Watching TV on a screen where black is so bad that letterboxing is not an option

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by case »

dakial1 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is. Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big m…

Anecdotally, it’s one of the main reasons I got one. Aside from work things that require Windows, it can run plenty of PC games. Especially when combined with an external GPU via Thunderbolt.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by gibspaulding »

hr2016 wrote: post #86
cduzz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a trope in car nerd circles of "We all know the best vehicle is a manual transmission brown diesel station wagon" and then of course these people only buy one that's 10 years old, so at this point no car company makes such a beast new . Pre-covid I'd made do with whatever garbage keyboard and garbage monitor $job dumped in front of me, but almost by happenstance I ended up with a 16:10 monitor and an IBM M4-1…

>> the best vehicle is a manual transmission brown diesel station wagon Wow, that's exactly what I own. Manual, diesel, brown, station wagon. 10 years old. Bought new though, still going strong. =)

What is it/where are you?

I can't think of a single vehicle available in the US that fits that description since the 90's.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by kuschku »

Snuupy wrote: post #83

for the 16": - I would love an option to have upwards firing speakers where flex/numpad space goes instead (one on each side). - please improve the bass in the speakers. according to notebookcheck's review, framework speakers have poor/near 0 bass output. - please offer either a 1080p or 4k screen option on the 16". 1440p-ish screens with DPI scaling hackery is no fun and often leads to blurry UIs.

> DPI scaling hackery

Under X11 with KDE, or under Windows, that's no problem whatsoever. 144dpi isn't any more hacky than 96dpi or 192dpi.

It's only macOS, Gnome and Wayland that require 1x or 2x scaling (which is absolutely mind-bogglingly ridiculous, and anyone that contributed to that or encouraged that should be banned from ever touching UI code again).

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by kitsunesoba »

wjdp wrote: post #136

Modular keyboard and QMK! It's a niche within a niche but would absolutely love an ortholinear option to the keyboard e.g. https://deskthority.net/wiki/Planck Though would like this on a smaller laptop, 14-ish inches seem to be the sweet spot.

Similarly, I’d like to see an HHKB layout option. It’s the layout I use most on desktop boards and it’s always been a bummer I can’t have it on laptops.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by imglorp »

apetrovic wrote: post #128
panick21_ wrote: post #104

One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical. Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys? ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?

Because it's easier to touch empty space and adjust fingers. Back when I worked on Thinkpad, I really hated these keys, whenever I accidentally pressed them. I don't say you're wrong, just it's a matter of taste. It's the same with mechanical keyboards - I can't use these compact 75% keyboards where arrows/Pg Up/Pg Down/Home/End are flush with other keys; but a bit "exploded" layout, with just a bit of space between…

Those Thinkpad quadrants have a ridged key to index where to place your up/down finger.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by mhb »

buildfocus wrote: post #64
tbrock wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want framework to succeed and they are targeting folks who want sleek and customizable computers (which they’ve nailed) but compared to a thinkpad the build quality isn’t great.

Disagree. I switched to Framework from a Thinkpad X1, I've actually been very impressed by the quality - feels super sturdy, keyboard is a significant improvement, it's great.

Thinkpad X1 == low bar for keyboard and trackpoint

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by kuschku »

bleep_bloop wrote: post #37
Leimi wrote: post #19

This is starting to be a really interesting choice compared to sticking to thinkpads. The dream would be to have 6 expansion cards in the laptop 13. 4 really is a bummer for a work laptop, it's definitely not enough for me… And while you can easily carry other expansion cards and switch at will, it's kinda like carrying adapters, you easily forget them.

Are there any 13" laptops on the market with more than 4 ports? None that come to my mind. My macbook air has only 2 x USB C and I've never come across a situation where I needed more. For a 13" 4 ports is more than most people require and it wouldn't make sense for a small start up to only target extremely niche use cases.

My T470 has on the left side:

1x charging port, 1x Thunderbolt/USB-C, 1x USB-A

And on the right side:

2x USB-A, SD-Card reader HDMI, headphone/microphone jack.

On a 14" laptop.

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