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Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

snizovtsev wrote: post #61

I had to quit in September due to burn out. Given how many better engineers now on market I feel there are no space for me anymore. Now burning my saving money on rent and food and going to commit suicide few months later.

Why was the comment suggesting to adjust expectations flagged down?

It said that OP should take a lower caliber software job where Silicon Valley-tier engineers normally wouldn't apply because such a job would not reject them.

>Given how many better engineers now on market I feel there are no space for me anymore.

If we entertain the premise that there's an influx of superior talent hogging all the "good SV jobs" (which it's probably the hiring freeze due to market correction from massive overhiring and the looming recession, but let's go with the premise), that's precisely where there would be "space" for OP.

Those jobs absolutely exist, and re: burn out they can be pretty slow-pace to boot. (For example, defense/government work.)

Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by ineedausername »

tricksforfree wrote: post #139

I just interviewed a developer for a senior level front end position and they couldn't print a 2d array to the console. They apparently worked on a large web application and wrote typescript everyday. What I've known for years, I'm finally seeing first hand: There are way too many people out there that should never have been engineers in the first place. This is a rebalancing. Those who are competent will always be h…

But it could be just temporary, I mean when the market finally shifts everyone will start advocating "learn to code" again.

Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by CptFribble »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #97

As a fresh grad, with two internships at government boards and not even a single FAANG-esque company in my portfolio, this thread is deeply depressing and the outlook couldn't be more bleak.

On the contrary, as a fresh grad with (presumably) lower COL requirements, you can be more flexible on the salary front than a lot of recently-laid-off senior SWE who may have homes + kids that need to be paid for.

Take it from a millennial who graduated into the recession in 2011, even when everyone is saying the job market sucks, there are always opportunities for younger/fresher people out there, you just might have to be willing to take a "worse" position to get started - but in this industry you can always level up later once things calm down.

Don't get distracted by all the people you see on here or Blind talking about their $500k TC in their mid-20s, those people are far, far outliers. I've never worked in FAANG, self-taught my way into webdev in my early 30s after two other half-careers in my 20s, and I managed to find a job with 0 experience during COVID because I adjusted my expectations down to "normal" salary ranges (sub-$100k), as long as it paid my bills and gave room to grow professionally.

As a young person you have both lower salary requirements (requirements in the sense of "I need at least $XYZ per month to keep the lights on) and a lot of time, both of which are massive advantages when taking the long view of your career.

Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by fnbr »

e-_pusher wrote: post #104
fnbr wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4 year BSc + 1 year MSc. Experience matters much more than having a PhD. Lots of people without phds at the big ai research labs as engineers. I’d say it’s uncommon for engineers to have phds (although almost all have masters).

Do folks still expect you to keep up with research papers as an ML engineer?

Yeah, you should be familiar with the state of the art in your field. You don’t need to be as strong with theory though as Research Scientists.

Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by fnbr »

jstx1 wrote: post #109
fnbr wrote: post #31

I work as an AI research engineer, so I’m having a totally different experience than the others I’m seeing here. Job market is very very strong for senior AI roles. Multiple offers that were >2x what I was making at a BigTech research lab (depending on how you value the equity). Interview process was much easier than I was expecting- mostly situational interviews (although I was referred in for those). Having said th…

Are your offers mostly from startups? I want to move away from ML but this might be a bad time for it.

A mix of startups, smallish research labs (that is, smaller than Google Brain/FAIR/DeepMind), small, profitable AI companies.

I focused on smaller companies as that’s what I wanted. Bunch of larger companies were hiring though.

Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by fnbr »

bigiain wrote: post #87
fnbr wrote: post #31

I work as an AI research engineer, so I’m having a totally different experience than the others I’m seeing here. Job market is very very strong for senior AI roles. Multiple offers that were >2x what I was making at a BigTech research lab (depending on how you value the equity). Interview process was much easier than I was expecting- mostly situational interviews (although I was referred in for those). Having said th…

> depending on how you value the equity Zero. Value the equity at zero. Or at most value it like a lottery ticket - something that lets you amuse yourself dreaming about what you’ll do when you “win”. But make all your ongoing plans assuming they equity will be worth zero. Either because the startup fails, or because you get screwed out of any payout by the founders or board, or by future investors insisting on deals…

Salary was still 2x FAANG comp (and roughly equal to my FAANG TC). So I’m fine taking the equity bet under those circumstances. I agree with you though. One company valued their equity at 3x (!!) what it was worth in October.

Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by ralphc »

endigma wrote: post #126
pas wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can you share some details, please, for the curious but luckily employed?

We're a Canadian company making hiring software using Go, Svelte and Typescript. We offer fully remote positions. I'm not the founder or hiring-person, but I will reply to your emails if you ask other questions. Coincidentally, we actually make a product that aims to get rid of the whole hiring, ghosting, no-reply, 7 rounds of interviews shenanigans; which is a problem a lot of people seem to be mentioning here.

Isn't a product like this tied to the viability of the job market, as in when the job market has a downturn your potential customers are less include to buy?

Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by usgroup »

Bare in mind that this thread is going to be biased towards people who are struggling since they are more likely to share their plight.

Also bare in mind that the geography is going to make a big difference to your experience. Different countries are experiencing the recession in different ways and are at different points in the journey.

Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by kypro »

I'm based in the UK with ~15 years experience as a professional web developer.

I lost my job early Jan and found a new role by early Feb. It was difficult though. This was the first time I've ever experience recruiters ghosting me. I hustled like crazy to find my current role and I think I got quite lucky honestly.

Every time I see these threads I feel the need to remind people that no one's circumstances will be the same. Experience and geography are two very important factors in our industry. There are jobs out there, and if you can beat out a few other candidates you'll probably do fine. If you can't do that then you may struggle.

Re: Ask HN: V2 – Laid off folks, are you getting hired yet?

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Post by candiodari »

kypro wrote: post #149

I'm based in the UK with ~15 years experience as a professional web developer. I lost my job early Jan and found a new role by early Feb. It was difficult though. This was the first time I've ever experience recruiters ghosting me. I hustled like crazy to find my current role and I think I got quite lucky honestly. Every time I see these threads I feel the need to remind people that no one's circumstances will be the…

How's the situation remuneration-wise. Did you have to sacrifice pay?
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