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HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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For home network printing, one way to get around such nonsense it to set a wrong gateway ip to the printer. This way, your printer is still detectable on LAN network, while it can never connect to WAN (or internet) to update any firmware

thanks for the advice. I did as you suggested. I have an older HP LaserJet M15w (2018). I live in Europe. I don't know if that matters but my printer hasn't been turned yet so hopefully with your trick I should be safe.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

#142
If you have a modern HP printer that currently works fine, and you want to delay buying a different brand, you might want to:

1. be using open source drivers (e.g., one of the CUPS PCL drivers, preferably on Linux or BSD) on all possible clients;

2. isolate the printer from direct network access (e.g., don't connect printer's Ethernet or WiFi, and instead run CUPS on a RasPi, which talks to the printer only via USB); and

3. consider limiting which devices can access your print server (i.e., via routing VLANs and/or authentication/authorization).

This isn't perfect:

* there are still ways that the printer can get firmware changes against your wishes;

* still ways that it can leak information to HP;

* still ways it's vulnerable to attacks by others; and

* might be awkward to explain when a visitor to your home/office needs to print something.

But I decided the headache of isolating the HP printer a bit (especially from HP), was less than the likely headache of trusting HP more.

(Which is kinda sad, since the company previously known as HP was great.)

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

I also like my brother, but it will attempt to detect and reject non-authentic ink. I don't update mine anymore because the last time I did, it rejected my cartridges.

What about your sister, thought?

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

#144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this open up the space for a "framework laptop" like company to open up? For "open" printers? If yes, what other product categories is this applicable?

they money in the printer is the ink. this is why HP try to block you off of third party ink.

The big money. One could still wonder if there is room for a company only interested in a tidy small profit for selling the printers (perhaps at a more expensive price, but along with a "no locked inks", "no BS", "just works" guarantees).

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

#145

I've got an Epson Ecotank ET-7750 and really like it. (I'm kind of partial to wide format printers because schematics printed on them are easier on the eyes). That said, a really interesting startup would be an open source inkjet printer. (All the necessary patents have expired ones that are current revolve mostly around cartridges or cleaning systems). I suspect it is a kind of niche market as my kids tell me that "…

ET-4750 here. So far (after ~two years) it has been great. We had one issue, but they repaired it quickly. But it's insanely cheap ink-wise and it's nice that we can use it to print both papers and photos. My only worry is long-time reliability, because it is very... plasticy.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature We don't need an AMA, we already know the answer. Money. The company exists to make money. The fact that it also creates printers is a side effect, not its primary purpose. Once you look at it in this way, there's nothing confusing about user hostile features. They exist to further the primary purpose of th…

The thing is you'd expect companies should also compete to remove such anti-features in order to claim market share from competitors. It's strange how rare that is.

If every company can make a lot more money by screwing over consumers then every company will do it. Sometimes it will always be more profitable to refuse to give consumers what they're asking for than it would be to make a better product that everyone is happy to pay for no matter how much market share it might gain them.

Companies exist only for themselves and for making money, and not for serving the people or making the communities they operate in better. They will happily hurt people and destroy the environment to get even just a little bit more wealth.

We grant them the privilege of existing as legal entities though, so maybe we should start demanding they start doing more for us in order to keep or attain that privilege.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

#147

I've got an Epson Ecotank ET-7750 and really like it. (I'm kind of partial to wide format printers because schematics printed on them are easier on the eyes). That said, a really interesting startup would be an open source inkjet printer. (All the necessary patents have expired ones that are current revolve mostly around cartridges or cleaning systems). I suspect it is a kind of niche market as my kids tell me that "…

> you don't need multiple monitors to do code development if you have listing printed out

Whenever I run into an especially intractable bug, one of the first techniques I attempt to use to solve it is to print out all the relevant source code and grab a conference room where I can lay it all out on the table.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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post #40

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

According to this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131 , Brother printers now locking out non-OEM paraphernalia ? If so, that's unfortunate.

brother both inkjets and laser ones started doing exactly the same as the OP is talking about. I don’t know why people cut them so much slack.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

#150
I used to work in the ink cartridge industry. This is not new. HP has been actively blocking non-HP cartridges for at least 10y.

The issue is that there is a cat and mouse game between an handful HP "alternative cartridges" manufacturers and HP. HP is actively trying to detect and block non-HP cartridges while the manufacturers find a way to bypass it.

What probably has happened here is that HP had pushed a SW upgrade that detects non-HP cartridges a bit better. The manufacturers probably already found a way to bypass it and new cartridges will work on this firmware.

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