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Re: Twitter was down

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Post by pcwalton »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #119
sigmar wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you see the photo of the employee sleeping on the floor? I'd link it but twitter is down.

> Did you see the photo of the employee sleeping on the floor? I’ve done this. I had lots of fun—everyone, from the CEO down, was crunching—and became financially independent after it. It’s usually a sign of under-resourcing. But almost every start-up experiencing unexpected growth should be ready for it. It’s unusual at Twitter’s scale, but closed to mismanagement than abuse.

> I’ve done this. I had lots of fun—everyone, from the CEO down, was crunching—and became financially independent after it.

OK, but this doesn't seem relevant to the situations Twitter's (former, in many cases) employees are in at all. There's no quick path to financial independence working at Musk's Twitter--the company is losing money faster than it was when it was public, Musk is cutting costs everywhere, and there are well-documented instances of employees being shown the door after sleeping on the floor.

In general, I'm pretty sure that in the vast majority of cases, people who sleep on the floor at the office do not end up financially independent for it.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by jedberg »

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #129
jedberg wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know some of the former Twitter engineers, and they were great engineers. I'm sure they built a fairly resilient system. But at the scale and complexity, eventually you hit an unforeseen error that requires some institutional knowledge to fix, and it's doubtful they still have that, unless the ex-engineers loved the product so much they are willing to take phone calls from the people that are left and point them in…

Do you actually think it will go down for good? That seems extremely unlikely to me.

No, eventually they would figure out how to rewrite it if they can't get it working again. But I could definitely see a multi-week outage.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by PenguinRevolver »

No_CQRT wrote: post #2

{"errors":[{"message":"Your current API plan does not include access to this endpoint, please see https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api for more information","code":467}]}

Most recent snapshot of the URL in the message gave you a recursive error: https://web.archive.org/web/20230306165738/https://developer...

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by murillians »

favaq wrote: post #134

Not that I particularly like Elon but people are now making a big deal out of every twitter outage as if twitter didn't spend down half of the time before Elon bought it.

I dont remember Twitter being down so often before the takeover. I actually distinctly using Twitter to check if OTHER websites or services were down

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by grumple »

renewiltord wrote: post #59
jedberg wrote: post #44

This is actually funny. Just this weekend I was talking to another engineer friend of mine, and we were taking bets as to how long it would be before twitter went down for the last time. We felt bad for the engineers that are still there, and were actually surprised it's stayed up this long, with all the knowledge that walked out the door. Basic stuff like "where are our servers actually located". I guess the folks t…

Where did you land on the bets? It appears that when Twitter goes down, its engineers were indispensable but when it's up, it's because the engineers foresaw this. Given those factors, how long it stays up must be an interesting combination of how indispensable the engineers made themselves vs how much foresight they had.

We always build systems hoping they never need any maintenance.

The truth is, they often do. Especially when there are changes happening. I once took a week off and we went down on day 2. Other times, I'm convinced I could've gone 6 months without anything breaking.

At Twitter's scale, I'm sure there are systems where everything is automated and self-healing. But there are probably other systems that are more fragile. And then there's the eternal race against scale; eventually a system with no maintenance will get buried under the weight of its own data or the scope of its usage. That always requires some work.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by d23 »

TillE wrote: post #113
bongobingo1 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That's what gets me about Elon more than anything. It's not the substance of his politics, it's that it's all so shallow, so unoriginal. There are a million interesting discussions to be had in the world today, but he's stuck on mediocre Reddit shitposting from like 2012.

It's even worse than that. It's divorced, misogynistic, unfunny facebook dad memes too [1].

[1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1632574090216103937

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by johnbellone »

O__________O wrote: post #84

Worth noting Twitter’s status page claims it is “operational” and no events are listed under history section for past 180-days, which is obviously wrong: - https://status.twitter.com/ * Not to mention the SSL certificate appears to be expired too. ———- EDIT-01: Appears there’s a status page just for the API: - https://api.twitterstat.us/ EDIT-02: Wow, Twitter is using Twitter to post status updates: - https://twitter…

They're not expired. It looks like they're serving up the wrong one for that domain.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by faefox »

photon12 wrote: post #111
mikebonnell wrote: post #97

Twitter Support just posted: "Some parts of Twitter may not be working as expected right now. We made an internal change that had some unintended consequences. We’re working on this now and will share an update when it’s fixed." https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/163279294226274713...

Are they going to put "fired the people who used to enforce our change control procedures" in the post-mortem?

Presumably those people weren't "hardcore" enough for Elon Twitter.
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