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So you'd rather pay extra to send completely unencrypted messages?
pay extra ? I live in France, and SMS have been free for a long time here.
France is most certainly not the world.
Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?
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just wanna point out here, there are limitations to the size/length of videos and even the pictures sometimes get downscaled to the other imessage user
But apple seemingly purposely sends 100x100 px videos to non iMessage contacts. The phone can handle more. My step mom once sent me 50 full pictures in one legacy EMS message. It worked just fine. Apple is purposely handicapping things and I don't believe for a single second any of their excuses. The rest of the phone industry has no problem texting videos and pictures.
I wouldn't doubt it... I think EMS message size limitation is higher than MMS, but iPhones decode it differently. Even iPhone iPhone compresses the image/video
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#143I'll echo the other top-level threads and say it's the same technology as what happens in your car and it reads/replies to your messages. Sidenote: Can someone school me and tell me how Apple got this iMessage thing "right" when Blackberry/BBM didn't? Or is iMessage eventually going to go the way of BBM? I suspect it's more than just iMessage, like Apps (pre-BBM days) and tighter integration, but I'd like to start a…
I don't think it was so much a Apple getting it right in a technical sense, rather that when it debuted US carriers were still charging real money for texting and Apple stopped tip-toeing around the issue when they had enough partners. Recall the iPhone was originally exclusive to AT&T, then AT&T + Verizon, then Sprint, T-Mobile, etc. Sure, many people were on omnibus family plans for $X00s/month, but those people gr…
I've been on the BB ecosystem and usually was between the major carriers. If I recall correctly, some carriers charged a small $10 premium for the Blackberry Data plan versus the normal data plan -- for others it was the same.
BBM if you recall was the cool, exclusive phone (think early Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton), but then iPhone came along and had cool apps. They were Blackberry exclusive until they started losing share to Android and iPhone. By the time it was too late, you could use BBM on iPhone and Android.
To me, iMessage is the same, (maybe even less than BBM was more like a chatroom too) but has reigned supreme for longer.
Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?
#144I'll echo the other top-level threads and say it's the same technology as what happens in your car and it reads/replies to your messages. Sidenote: Can someone school me and tell me how Apple got this iMessage thing "right" when Blackberry/BBM didn't? Or is iMessage eventually going to go the way of BBM? I suspect it's more than just iMessage, like Apps (pre-BBM days) and tighter integration, but I'd like to start a…
iMessage succeeded because the iPhone maintained market share. BBM failed because people stopped buying Blackberries. I don't think any of iMessage's unique features materialy contributed to it's success.
Similarly to the iPhone (and Android) dethroning Blackberry, will there be a new "iPhone" -- and will we finally see iMessage on Windows/Android by then?
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#145If someone at Apple is reading this, please, for the love of god, let me pay to have iMessage on my windows machine. I'd easily pay $100/year.
A year or so back there was an HN discussion about a service that offered an all-in-one messaging app for most of the major services (including iMessage), but for the life of me I'm having trouble remembering their name. As I recall, they were using a pile of older iPhones that could still be jailbroken and a custom shim to get messages from the phone to their server. Clever, though that method would eventually hit a…
The jailbreak way is more an easy way for you to do it if you want to host it yourself. When you have them do it you're Apple account is signed in on a Mac Mini hosted in a datacenter (not sure if it's theres or through one of the many services to do that through). This is not only much easier to scale but is done in macOS where you can just straight up disable OS security if you tell it you really want to.
My iMessage bridge is hosted on "Beeper Mac #84" according to my Apple account page which shows logged in clients.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
iMessage succeeded because the iPhone maintained market share. BBM failed because people stopped buying Blackberries. I don't think any of iMessage's unique features materialy contributed to it's success.
Similarly to the iPhone (and Android) dethroning Blackberry, will there be a new "iPhone" -- and will we finally see iMessage on Windows/Android by then?
Apple's grip on the messaging space is pretty tight but I have hopes that the EU's DMA regulation will force to loosen it's grip.
I've been using iMessage on Android, desktop and the web using Mautrix-iMessage and Beeper for a while now.
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This will improve once the EU's Digital Markets Act takes full effect on 2024-03-06 and will force Apple to cooperate with other chat providers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act
Ah, just like the famous EU cookie policy suddenly made the internet a better place, right? Just like websites, which have become a pain in the ass, making the opt-out just painful enough so that 99% of users just click "track me anyway", this will have exactly zero positive influence. The EU just doesn’t "get" the internet. Even worse, most websites now even have explicit consent to actually track visitors. Apple is…
Smaller services are not affected because they are explicitly not included. Unless you define 7.5 billion Euro annual revenue in the EEA as small.
The cookie law is good, it's the websites that are either actively non-compliant or lazy. There is no need to request permission to track users. Just don't do it and any cookie banner is obsolete.
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Seen from my window, Whatsapp gained traction as free international messages and voice - which are only attractive for usage across international boundaries, which is uncommon in the USA... Maybe that partly explains why SMS lasted longer in the USA.
Did it? My recollection was that it was more due to the wider usage of prepay, at least in my country. With more prepay, there were more people paying per message for SMS so once data got low enough people first went to IM clients (MSN, Facebook Messenger), then to the new wave of phone apps (Viber, Line, Whatsapp) of which Whatsapp was the eventual winner in the local market.
Accounts with per SMS billing were unlikely to have mobile data for comfortable Whatsapp usage, so I doubt that was the substitution.
To call between France and various African countries in the early Android era, I remember first using Viber - but after a while everyone switched to Whatsapp in a few months: somehow, through some sheer black magic, Whatsapp had nailed voice quality over the lossy high-latency links that were the norms then, and users noticed.
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As much as I don't like WhatsApp for other reasons, at least it's honest in a way that you know that messages sent over WhatsApp will be sent and received using WhatsApp, and not some confusing half-backed combination of SMS and another App that you can't control. iMessage is not the only one at fault here, Google Messages (or how they call it today) is not better. It's the first thing I disable when switching to a n…
If that's the configuration you want, it's more or less available in iMessage. You can either disable SMS fallback (and you will always use iMessage to talk to contacts with iPhones) or you can disable iMessage (in which case you will obviously always use SMS). Of course they do not offer to split these up into two apps, which may be what you want.
iMessage also does not have multiplatform clients for its proprietary protocol, which would be more useful than the either of the scenarios you presented. To me, that is the distinguishing feature between iMessage and every other non-SMS message app.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did it? My recollection was that it was more due to the wider usage of prepay, at least in my country. With more prepay, there were more people paying per message for SMS so once data got low enough people first went to IM clients (MSN, Facebook Messenger), then to the new wave of phone apps (Viber, Line, Whatsapp) of which Whatsapp was the eventual winner in the local market.
Accounts with per SMS billing were unlikely to have mobile data for comfortable Whatsapp usage, so I doubt that was the substitution. To call between France and various African countries in the early Android era, I remember first using Viber - but after a while everyone switched to Whatsapp in a few months: somehow, through some sheer black magic, Whatsapp had nailed voice quality over the lossy high-latency links th…
> Accounts with per SMS billing were unlikely to have mobile data for comfortable Whatsapp usage, so I doubt that was the substitution.
Care to quantify that? PAYG SMS was/is consistently way more expensive than PAYG data[1] in every country I have visited; granted I haven't been to many countries, but I've visited most continents. IIRC, there's a 2-3 orders of magnitude difference in the costs-per-140-bytes sent.
Per WhatsApp message, which ends up being a few KiB per day for text only