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My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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Am I missing something or where is the part where he contacted the school or spoke to his daughter about it, _before_ writing blog posts and getting on Twitter? It's strange to me to take the discussion like this to public forums before talking to the people involved. It could be his daughter "gave" it to the school as an act of generosity for example.

>It could be his daughter "gave" it to the school as an act of generosity for example.

That shouldn't possible in the first place.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #127

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I'd be interested to hear how you'd get the usability to be as good as an operating system designed to be used with a remote running apps designed to be run with a remote. Having to use a mouse and keyboard is a pain point for me when I use my desktop on my TV from the couch. For the mouse I use the trackpad on a ps5 controller, so the mouse isn't so bad. Possibly you could: * Not require passwords for everyday opera…

I've been running Kodi for over a decade now. It starts on boot, so all I have to do is start the desktop. Remote works with an open source Anroid app, it also allows streaming from Kodi to your phone and vice versa. Youtube works fine, never tried Disney+/Netflix, I'm not sure that's possible.

Kodi has YouTube? YT was the only reason I didn't just set up a Pi 4 or whatever. Already got one LibreELEC system for the home theatre, but wanted YT for the "daily driver" TV display. I assumed any YT plugin for Kodi would be persistently behind API changes and often not working, etc... is my assumption wrong? Would be great to hear if so haha

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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How do organisations justify so many lost hours of a day where employees just struggle with Microsoft’s abysmal software instead of doing real work.

"Because it's cheap." Lots of "leaders" don't see much further than that...

this is true; they look at dollar amounts first and do not look at quality; repeated over and over by people .. and it feels nobody seems to even care.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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> is nowhere near an "edge of functionality" No, but something unusual went wrong and getting it fixed will be harder at MS than a smaller company. There probably isn't a single person who understands why without a fair amount of research. Without the publicity, MS would be inclined not to spend the effort to fix. > Also, a software engineering product run by a large organization is going to have tons more functional…

The problem is not that there is no one person it's that the team that knows the details are insulated from end users by layers of layers of bureaucracy needed to keep them from being flooded in identical/trivial tickets to the point where they never get to look at the actual product they are developing. With smaller outfit's the L2 tech support might actually be having a line of communication directly to engineering…

Even in large companies it depends a lot on the product. For Microsoft, if something has an issue tracker on GitHub (e.g. VSCode, C#, Windows Terminal), the bugs that get filed there are usually looked at directly by the team that owns it.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #5

The way Microsoft accounts work is almost completely opaque to users. I’ve been in similar scenarios — the switch directory or switch organisation technique usually worked for me - but wasn’t enough for this person. They never really give you enough information to tell what’s going on… maybe it’s a security risk to have consumers who are anything other than bewildered Kafkerian characters struggling against a faceles…

Try having a kid and segregating funds for them while paying for their Xbox Game Pass and a Minecraft Realm with your account. I have 25 years of Windows software development experience and I was almost reduced to tears just trying to understand what I'm even trying to accomplish. Realms is still in some kind of half subscribed, half not subscribed state and it still asks for my account's PIN for purchases but actual…

When I saw Minecraft for the Nintendo Switch I bought it, thinking it'd be a solution for the MS login madness and my kid could play easily with it.

Wrong!

It's even worse! You still have to log in with some MS account, but on top it's buggy, slow, laggy, and crashed a few times on me generating the world. What a disaster.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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> It was created when I transitioned my Xbox LIVE account to a Microsoft account on 2014-03-07 (the LIVE account was created back in 2006, and neither it nor my Microsoft account were ever joined to any other domains). Hoping this raised issue helps cleaning up some of the mess, I find it fascinating how bizantine microsoft have become. I also have a skype account that became some other other account, but was using t…

> Or dealing with amazon Amazon used to allow having multiple accounts with the same email, but different passwords. And don’t ask what happens to personal accounts that get accidentally invited to corporate accounts via email adresses formerly used for the personal account.

I think it's still complicated. I wouldn't try to play too much with it, but you can use the "same" account across each of their national portals except parts of it seem to be local to the country, and many amazon apps don't have a notion of country (e.g. when logging to the prime app you only use the email and password, and it guesses from there. It actually finds the right item from an app downloaded from a different country's app store).

I made a point to separate mail addresses by country to avoid getting hosed, but I'd imagine the fun trying to access Prime or kindle purchases from an account that has them in multiple national stores.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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How do organisations justify so many lost hours of a day where employees just struggle with Microsoft’s abysmal software instead of doing real work.

Because as someone who has done support for a 28000 person organisation, 27500 of which are using mostly Microsoft products on windows for 90% of the time and 500 of which are using Mac or Linux and doing other stuff I can tell you that at least 50% of the security incidents and second line support issues came from those 500 users.

Did those 500 users also happen to be the ones that weren’t adequately supported because they were seen as problem children?

If my org doesn’t give me a supported way to do absolutely necessary thing X, then I’ll find my own way to do it.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #3

Microsoft's organisation vs use of accounts is certainly a hot mess.. I'll be watching responses here and hopefully find out why my personal account sometimes says certain settings are managed by "my organisation". What freaking organisation is always my response; I've never been able to figure it out.

It probably isn't actually "your organization". Some MS products just use that as a generic "this is disabled in some config or the other", (perhaps correctly) assuming that in most cases, it actually is turned off by the organization.

Very random example: SharePoint has a MS Word integration - you can open a .docx file from there, it opens in Word and you are actually able to edit the file on the server as if it was on your computer. At least in the older on-prem versions, this actually used the Word installed on your computer, not some web version. If you used a custom authentication provider, a little browser opened within Word and you had to log in there. But Word needed to "trust" the domain. On a personal computer, you could just edit the trust settings in some Word menu, yet the error message still said "your organization..." if you didn't.

Re: My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account

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post #49

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Try having a kid and segregating funds for them while paying for their Xbox Game Pass and a Minecraft Realm with your account. I have 25 years of Windows software development experience and I was almost reduced to tears just trying to understand what I'm even trying to accomplish. Realms is still in some kind of half subscribed, half not subscribed state and it still asks for my account's PIN for purchases but actual…

The switch over the Microsoft login for Minecraft was so bad that I just gave up and got the kids using MineTest instead. And MS login for work is a complete shambles. I have to do a tactical login to Outlook with a different work account to switch login when I try to use Azure as that's the only obvious way to move to a different org account. It's horrible.

Minecraft is so broken that I’ve removed it from all family devices.

I would frequently have to reinstall on PS5 to get it to boot, it would lose purchases constantly, and there is no cross play for mac hilariously because Mac doesn’t have a bedrock port, despite it having “Minecraft for education” which is based on bedrock.

Microsoft turned Minecraft into a steaming pile of garbage.

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