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> It often gets things wrong -- but I know enough to recognize when it's gone off the rails, and then nudge it in the right direction. > specify something at a higher level and have the computer sort out the details. Same here. I know some people frown on Github Copilot, but ChatGPT + Copilot makes a powerful combo. I actually use ChatGPT like a copilot, to talk through the structure of things, debugging issues, etc.…
Be careful using these aids will reduce the learning that normally happens in programming.
Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
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Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure about your definition of intelligence. Perhaps you think I’m saying ChatGPT and generative agents are somehow conscious. I don’t conflate consciousness with intelligence here. I can’t say whether or not ChatGPT is conscious (although I doubt it), but it’s pretty clearly intelligent by a reasonable definition. It’s an agent which is extremely effective at playing its game. A game which is incredibly open…
Just to play the devil's advocate here, you can argue that ChatGPT is not really intelligent. It is one hugely complex probability distribution, true, but importantly, a static one. Human intelligence stretches the similar distribution into the temporal dimension as our brain processing data influences the shape of the distribution real-time. In this manner, human brains are not Chinese Rooms due to their continuous…
1) Whether the weights are static or dynamic over time is not of importance. As a simple counter argument, if for instance the theory that LLMs could produce AGI if they could just be pushed to an absolutely colossal scale, then a planet scale computer might produce a machine intelligence by the definition of this conversation. That’s a big what if, and it’s about as useful as string theory, but it illustrates something I touch on in point #2.
2) A second counter argument to the “well the weights are hardcoded and ChatGPT doesn’t learn” argument, ChatGPT does learn. I’ve taught it conversational protocols, where it stored information mutates it, and lets me retrieve it in a standard I invented on the spot. This is the entire basis of ChatGPT, understanding call-response of human conversation in the probabilistic abstract. The apparatus ChatGPT uses to “stretch the similar distribution into the temporal dimension” is that it can store new information passively in the continuing conversation thread. You could theoretically teach ChatGPT about 2023 by having a conversation about recent events. It probably wouldn’t be as effective as having trained it on new information, but nonetheless.
3) Finally, a deeper argument against what you’re saying, what you’re arguing has nothing to do with the definition of intelligence I’m using here. That is: “An agent which is exceedingly effective at its game.” it’s important to characterize intelligence by the game that the agent in question aims to play. When we say a child is intelligent, we don’t mean it in the same way that we say a doctor is intelligent. The two are playing entirely different games, yet both are considered intelligent. This is because the game parameterizes intelligence, and the intelligence explosion is all about the proliferation of specialized intelligences for the variety of “games” out there. ChatGPT is exceptional at its game of “general human conversational prediction up to the year 2021”.
Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a significant number of people working hard on making certain tech illegal or at least heavily restricted. E2EE and Onion Routing comes to mind. That doesn't mean we should abandon them. In fact, in many cases it's an indicator that we should keep going. Why do you think we should avoid an open source AI?
How do you plan to have differential technological development and careful alignment research if anyone is allowed to build Skynet in their garage? I use and generally support E2EE and onion routing. E2EE and onion routing aren't inherently existential risks to the continued existence of life on Earth.
Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure about your definition of intelligence. Perhaps you think I’m saying ChatGPT and generative agents are somehow conscious. I don’t conflate consciousness with intelligence here. I can’t say whether or not ChatGPT is conscious (although I doubt it), but it’s pretty clearly intelligent by a reasonable definition. It’s an agent which is extremely effective at playing its game. A game which is incredibly open…
Just to play the devil's advocate here, you can argue that ChatGPT is not really intelligent. It is one hugely complex probability distribution, true, but importantly, a static one. Human intelligence stretches the similar distribution into the temporal dimension as our brain processing data influences the shape of the distribution real-time. In this manner, human brains are not Chinese Rooms due to their continuous…
Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you plan to have differential technological development and careful alignment research if anyone is allowed to build Skynet in their garage? I use and generally support E2EE and onion routing. E2EE and onion routing aren't inherently existential risks to the continued existence of life on Earth.
LLMs are not going to pose an existential risk to anyone. Also, making AI development less accessible to the general public will not make it any safer. I am willing to bet all this fear mongering singularity bullshit is just being peddled by large corporations with a vested interest to keep AI development out of reach from the general public.
You're spreading both incorrect information "making AI development less accessible to the general public will not make it any safer" and conspiracy theories "this fear mongering singularity bullshit is just being peddled by large corporations with a vested interest."
There is no alarm bell that tells us when we've reached the point of no return. Even if we don't end up with agentic AI and a sharp left turn, we don't want to live in a world where every organization with a few million dollars can build swarms of flying drones that flood a target area and stab to death anyone out in the open.
Some Nvidia hardware is already export controlled in the same manner as other dual use technologies. More restrictions are coming, not less.
Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We really shouldn't be building an "open source" AI in the first place though, and it's going to be illegal to do so soon. How do you make that illegal while still allowing private corporations to build AI? How do you legally define AI without applying it to all kinds of existing applications and without stopping all research on AI? And while staying broad enough that simply using a slightly different technique wou…
Replace "AI" with "uranium enrichment and nuclear research" and the answers fill themselves in.
Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
LLMs are not going to pose an existential risk to anyone. Also, making AI development less accessible to the general public will not make it any safer. I am willing to bet all this fear mongering singularity bullshit is just being peddled by large corporations with a vested interest to keep AI development out of reach from the general public.
These failure modes have been recognized since long before the current crop of AI developments. You're spreading both incorrect information "making AI development less accessible to the general public will not make it any safer" and conspiracy theories "this fear mongering singularity bullshit is just being peddled by large corporations with a vested interest." There is no alarm bell that tells us when we've reached…
We already can? Just take a look at the maker community, there is so much information/open source software available about building and controlling rockets, drones, etc at home.
Even for stuff like DeepFakes it only makes stuff, that was possible before, a lot cheaper. This certainly won’t be the end of humanity.
Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
>We really shouldn't be building an "open source" AI in the first place though, and it's going to be illegal to do so soon. The weaponization power will be made clear soon and that will justifiably spook everyone. Encryption was illegal not that long ago for the same reasons. Now it's the basis of all the digital economy. If we made it illegal again of the top 10 tech companies by market cap only Nvidia and TSMC woul…
How do you plan to have differential technology development and thoughtful and cautious alignment research if we go building these things without a speed limit? Giving a baby a hand grenade would be more responsible.
We aren’t going to have those things anyway; the closest we’ll get is if development is relatively public and open and thus subject to outsider critique. The only interest the closed corporate restricted approach has in alignment is in controlling the research, suppressing unwelcome avenues of inquiry, and generating PR to assuage public fears.
Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
#149"hitting 100 million monthly active users 2 months after its launch". I'm deeply suspicious of that number. It came from Similarweb, who track these things through analytics gathered from browser extensions. I trust this article more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/technology/chatgpt-openai... "But two months after its debut, ChatGPT has more than 30 million users and gets roughly five million visits a day, two p…
Can someone tell me what the hell they use ChatGPT for? I tried it a few times and it always confidently gave me wrong results to basic things. What is this thing supposedly “disrupting”? Is it really just marketing cranking out metric tons of spam blogs?
Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a significant number of people working hard on making certain tech illegal or at least heavily restricted. E2EE and Onion Routing comes to mind. That doesn't mean we should abandon them. In fact, in many cases it's an indicator that we should keep going. Why do you think we should avoid an open source AI?
How do you plan to have differential technological development and careful alignment research if anyone is allowed to build Skynet in their garage? I use and generally support E2EE and onion routing. E2EE and onion routing aren't inherently existential risks to the continued existence of life on Earth.