I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.
Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
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#142> The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National…
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#143> The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National…
> Does anyone have insights on what QA looks like at Tesla for FSD work?
Yes. An army of Tesla owners perform the QA, in production.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have it (subscription, just wanted to try it out). I won't use it again. It confidently attempted to drive me into a rather solid object with very little warning. If every other car on the road had this, I would sell all my cars and forbid family members from getting anywhere near the road. It's nice on the freeway though.
To me it's weird you can voice an opinion like "I won't use it" and then say it's nice on the highway, as if you've given it enough of a trial there to endorse it when you think otherwise it's going to be killing people.
How is it weird that FSD might work well on extremely simple, boring stretches of road but fall apart as complexity increases?
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#145It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.
It seems there’s a huge disconnect between people who know how to drive and are confident in their skills, and those who are scared to drive and want to offload it to Musk. I’m actually afraid to drive behind a Tesla and either keep extra distance or change lanes if possible. I still have more faith in humans to not randomly brake them in beta FSD. It’s one thing to put your own life in the hands of this beta model,…
> I’m actually afraid to drive behind a Tesla and either keep extra distance or change lanes if possible.
Irrespective of the Teslas or FSD:
If you're afraid of an accident due to the vehicle in front of you braking regardless of the circumstances, then you're following too closely. It doesn't matter if the braking event is anticipated or unexpected. If you're not confident in your ability to avoid an accident if the vehicle in front of you slams on their brakes then you are following to closely.
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#146> The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National…
> Does anyone have insights on what QA looks like at Tesla for FSD work? Yes. An army of Tesla owners perform the QA, in production.
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#147I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.
No need to worry about the return trip if it's unlikely that anyone would survive the trip there, right?
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#148As posted on the Tesla subreddit [1]: > Remedy: Tesla will release an over-the-air (OTA) software update, free of charge. Owner notification letters are expected to be mailed by April 15, 2023. Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752. Tesla's number for this recall is SB-23-00-001. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/113wltl/commen...
Why even bother with a letter?
Surely the letter could be displayed on screen like most other tech displays some text of sorts before an update occurs.
Are these letters designed to satisfy the legalese types, or is paper still required to make sure tech companies dont make post update changes to the letter contents?
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#149> The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National…
As a human being and motor vehicle operator of many decades I have done all of the above, multiple times (very infrequently), both on purpose and on accident. I’m looking forward to the days when self-driving vehicles are normal, and human drivers are the exception. Until then, I’m glad companies and regulators are holding the robots to a higher standard than the meat computers.
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#150Note that this recall just means that there's a regulator-mandated patch, not that FSD is being removed.
Both of my cars patched last night with “Bug fixes” as the changelog. I don’t think I’ve seen an update that only said that before. I suspect that was this “recall”. If that’s the case, then the recall (patch) is probably mostly done by now.
I had that update message, too, though I thought I was just installing that “adjustments to the steering wheel warmer” update. I don’t have FSD.