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"Responded" could be execution of payload.
Turns out it is just 18 hours of static.
So many of my favorite references in this thread. I was delighted to find Neuromancer at the top of the comments, and this here.
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wait what. I just read neuromancer and don't see how that applies? Were rio/wintermute ever involved in detecting an alien signal?
(spoilers) In the final chapter, the merged AI tells Case it found transmissions from "others" in the Centauri system.
And I’m pretty sure that it was meant to be a reference to the Wow! signal from the ‘70s. And I think at the end of the final book of the trilogy, a similar thing happens, except this time the virtual constructs of the characters get to go to Centauri via galactic cyberspace.
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...indeed, that too. Great movie, BTW.
The contrast between that film and Transcendence , which came out the following year is the perfect illustration of what this article is getting at: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/26/entertainment/mid-budget-movi... Her was an amazingly thoughtful sci-fi movie - a Sci-Fi movie in the truest sense, and a bargain at a ~$23 million budget. Transcendence was, basically, a blockbuster which really didn't make you think too h…
Nails it, sadly. Thanks for sharing!
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#144"Guys - we've found intelligent alien life! We have even decoded their signals." "Amazing, let's send them a response!" "Ah yes, about that..." "What is it? Go on..." "We're talking 250,000 light-years away. Their civilization is probably extinct by now." moans
DO NOT ANSWER! DO NOT ANSWER! DO NOT ANSWER!
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(spoilers) In the final chapter, the merged AI tells Case it found transmissions from "others" in the Centauri system.
And I’m pretty sure that it was meant to be a reference to the Wow! signal from the ‘70s. And I think at the end of the final book of the trilogy, a similar thing happens, except this time the virtual constructs of the characters get to go to Centauri via galactic cyberspace.
Surely not everybody's cup of tea but that line is one of the reasons why I like the original audiobook so much (the abridged version read by Gibson himself - not the Audible one). His voice gets distorted on reading the AI's lines to make him sound more eh AI'ish. It's just a silly little filter but it somehow makes the exchange between Case and the AI sound rather terrifying.
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A human with a piece of paper and a pen could do. AKA writing down an algorithm. Human reason isn't limited to written algorithms. The missing text problem from NLU is an example of a problem that is thought to be impossible for Turing machines/algorithms but is trivial in most cases for humans.
> The missing text problem from NLU is an example of a problem that is thought to be impossible for Turing machines/algorithms but is trivial in most cases for humans. I'm not aware of any mainstream researcher who thinks the missing text problem[1] is impossible for Turing machines. Perhaps some think neural networks are insufficient to achieve it, but this is a different thing. [1] https://thegradient.pub/machine-l…
ChatGPT is state-of-the-art natural language processing (NLP) NOT NLU
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A human with a piece of paper and a pen could do. AKA writing down an algorithm. Human reason isn't limited to written algorithms. The missing text problem from NLU is an example of a problem that is thought to be impossible for Turing machines/algorithms but is trivial in most cases for humans.
> The missing text problem from NLU is an example of a problem that is thought to be impossible for Turing machines/algorithms but is trivial in most cases for humans. Not thought to be impossible by people who believe in scientific materialism, and current mainstream ideas in theoretical physics (like the Bekenstein bound and such), and who have thought carefully about the issue. The laws of physics are believed to…
Physics models are models.
All models are wrong, some are useful.
I am not claiming that useful models need to be computable, in fact the problem with the MTP is that it induces cycles into something that needs to be recursively enumerable to be decidable.
"The trophy wouldn't fit in the suitcase because it was too [large,small]" is a nice toy case to consider how NLP can deal with that easily but NLP would have issues.
It all relates to VC dimensionality and decidablity in the end.
But the math is hard to demonstrate without actually using math.
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It's a bit of a science fiction myth that it is impossible to process a bit of data without executing it, or that data can somehow force itself to be executed by its sheer swaggering potency as data. And a thing that is more true than it should be, because people keep insisting that they are super awesome and totes capable of writing C that can be put on the network. If we'd stop doing this there'd be hardly any trut…
Dude, have you even SEEN Independence Day?
Ironically, the common opinion that that was just sooooo impossible is itself incorrect. There is no problem whatsoever with writing a virus to run on the computer system that was under study for decades and simply delivering it with a Mac. The point is precisely that in this case, this wasn't a blind exploit, and delivering with a Mac is no more particularly challenging than delivering a Windows exploit payload from a Linux scanning machine.
This accusation demonstrates the accuser's own lack of understanding about computers; Hollywood actually got this one right. Personally, I rather suspect this was coincidence rather than anybody on the production sitting down and working out this logic. But nevertheless, the movie is right on this point.
There are similar scenes in other media that are ludicrous. I am pretty sure I recall a scene in Voyager in a later season where the crew encounters a computer they've never seen before, from a species they'd never encountered before, on a piece of hardware they have only a vague idea what it does. They beam aboard, stand in front of a console, discover they're locked out, and "hack" past that in about literally 5 seconds. This is stupid. They shouldn't even be able to read the text on the console, and they've "hacked" it in five seconds. One wonders what the hack exactly was. Hollywood makes this mistake enough that I'm pretty sure that Independence Day getting it right was just a coincidence. Probably if the story didn't include a downed fighter being studied for decades they would still have rolled with the virus idea. Then it would have been silly. But as written, it is not silly.