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Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Post by sidlls »

nhchris wrote: post #43

> This might be hard, as no unwanted advances are taking place. We simply have students excelling at the course, and drawing-in a crowd. I should've been more clear with my "leching" comment. Still, it seems harassing in nature. It seems increasingly that society demands a world where dating only happens during designated and approved dating times and venues, and outside those strictly delimited places, men are to be…

I'm not sure whether to classify this approach to dating as merely dishonest or actively predatory. In either case, I'd hope that I would have imparted enough sense and wisdom to my children that they could see through such transparent attempts at manipulation.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Post by fzeroracer »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #108
fzeroracer wrote: post #82

It's so weird to see people defend this because this seems like fairly textbook power harassment. If this was to occur at work where some managers were organizing their pods or such so that they're the only man in a group of women for the sake of dating it would clearly be seen as a problem. If the story is true, people auditing courses should be treated with a higher level of responsibility. Giving preferential trea…

>fairly textbook power harassment I thought "power harassment" is when you have power over someone. How does auditing a course give you power over fellow students? >the intention behind joining in the first place is what matters What's wrong with having an intention of finding someone to marry? Suppose a woman signs up for eHarmony with the intention of meeting her future husband -- is that problematic?

Really? They're seniors in a class. It's heavily implied they're joining classes they know and are easy so that they can wow people. They offer tutoring and assistance to other individuals they seem attractive.

And the classroom is a place to learn. eHarmony last I checked is not a classroom so can you explain to me what exactly was the point of your comparison? It's literally an apples to oranges point you're making.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Post by fastball »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #121
troupe wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is weird when people take a class specifically because of that reason though. Really? I know people who specifically chose their entire major based on the ratio of women in that major.

It is probably not weird in the hormone-addled mind of a teenager but yeah, I find it to be some combination of weird, pervy, sleazy, misogynistic, etc.

Wanting to spend more time with women is misogynistic?

I don't want to whip out the dictionary definition of that word, but in what way does choosing classes to spend more time with women (because your existing classes are full of guys) mean you hate women?

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Post by steele »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #108
fzeroracer wrote: post #82

It's so weird to see people defend this because this seems like fairly textbook power harassment. If this was to occur at work where some managers were organizing their pods or such so that they're the only man in a group of women for the sake of dating it would clearly be seen as a problem. If the story is true, people auditing courses should be treated with a higher level of responsibility. Giving preferential trea…

>fairly textbook power harassment I thought "power harassment" is when you have power over someone. How does auditing a course give you power over fellow students? >the intention behind joining in the first place is what matters What's wrong with having an intention of finding someone to marry? Suppose a woman signs up for eHarmony with the intention of meeting her future husband -- is that problematic?

Grading curves in prerequisite courses, for one thing.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Post by GlenTheMachine »

groffee wrote: post #112
GlenTheMachine wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I have an attractive daughter studying engineering, and she tells me that her single biggest problem is that she constantly has to reject, avoid, or otherwise fend off male advances nearly every day. It's exhausting, it makes her never feel at ease in her classes, and she is constantly being distracted when what she really wants is quiet time to figure out integration by parts or whatever. As a male, this is…

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Oh, okay. The fact that the engineering world is often unpleasant for my daughter strictly because she is a young blonde woman isn't the fault of the people making it unpleasant. It's my fault.

Grow up.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Post by hsn915 »

nhchris wrote: post #43

> This might be hard, as no unwanted advances are taking place. We simply have students excelling at the course, and drawing-in a crowd. I should've been more clear with my "leching" comment. Still, it seems harassing in nature. It seems increasingly that society demands a world where dating only happens during designated and approved dating times and venues, and outside those strictly delimited places, men are to be…

That will not lead to a drop in fertility.

Infact, that's exactly how high fertility societies operate. At least the Islamic ones, like Afghanistan for example, where the population doubled since 2001.

Fertility has been dropping since the 80s, long before anything to do with wokeism or meetoo or whatever.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Post by barry-cotter »

ada1981 wrote: post #36
Metacelsus wrote: post #6

For many people, college itself is a dating service.

What else is it?

Acculturation to bourgeois and haut bourgeois norms depending on the college, for elite colleges a way for the rich and those highly likely to be professionally successful to associate to the benefit of both, a way to launder IQ tests (the SAT and ACT), a four year holiday and networking opportunity, an entree into better jobs, a way to get the public to subsidise research they don’t understand. College has many purposes, just like school. They share the sorting and ranking function but for college there childcare one is much attenuated.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Post by elil17 »

xupybd wrote: post #116
I-love-india wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you just to treat women with respect. The issue here is intention. The intention here is not about teaching or learning in the class. But its using that pretence in fact distrupting the intention of the class and people there. How do you like your intention distrupted? How about by unattractive slobs who are objectifying you and trying to be "helpful" and trying tricks they found on internet If someone is trying…

I don't think that taking a class to get to know single women of your own age is disrespectful. Do we know they are objectifying? The post said this was about finding a future wife.

It’s disrespectful because it ignores the fact that the women are not there to date, but to learn. The men are getting in their way by showing off and offering disingenuous tutoring.

Re: Need help with students who've turned my class into a dating service

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Post by pavon »

labrador wrote: post #8

Don't let senior level students audit junior level classes? Why are they even there besides the reasons outlined in the problem? This is a problem with the University because they don't want to acknowledge a problem. Do they really think that's going to last? If it was my daughter who left the class because she was harassed I'd be very angry.

That requires support of the university which the instructor doesn't have, and there are legitimate reasons for senior students to audit junior level courses in a different field from their major. Universities want to encourage intellectual curiosity and cross-field pollination. However, by the time students are senior they likely have filled their non-major electives, so unless they are taking enough classes to get a minor, the class won't count towards their degree and taking it for a grade is all risk and no benefit GPA and graduation wise. That is one of the main reasons that auditing courses is allowed.

If the professor did have support, and this phenomenon was really was causing a surge in enrollment, they could make a compromise like having sections that only allowed junior-level same-major students, to consolidate all the pranksters together.

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