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Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Phantom braking doesn't require FSD.

Phantom braking doesn't require a Tesla. https://www.motorsafety.org/us-government-investigates-1-7-m... https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/phantom-braking-expe... https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/ok-lets-talk-phantom-braki...

In considering all of those cars (and others), considering the effect of phantom braking on the overall safety of the car would be important.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Phantom braking doesn't require FSD.

Don’t use autopilot, problem solved. And… in any case stay engaged while driving so that you can be ready to touch the accelerator gently if it happens, to counteract it. The purpose of autopilot is not to allow you to disengage from the responsibility to monitor the road situation. I’m not saying I love phantom braking though. It’s gotten much better except in some beta versions.

I've used that feature on the Toyotas and the Kia I own. As another commenter pointed out, other brands have the same phantom braking issue, but for the cars I've owned, I've haven't experienced it.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Worked in that industry for 2 years making big chargers. The electronic latch that locks the plug into the vehicle is IMHO the single stupidest (even dangerous) thing. Anything unexpected goes wrong and you can't unplug the cable and you are stranded. I have no idea why any vehicle manufacturer would put this on their car.

> I have no idea why any vehicle manufacturer would put this on their car.

I'm not an expert, but I'll assume that the opposite is as dangerous. I think that if you unplug a car that is charging car, by tilting the connector in the wrong way ypu might have a dangerous hazard both for the car and for the person unplugging it.

DC chargers can be quite powerful (480V/100A), so I really doubt it's a good idea do mess with them in general.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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The safety crap with Teslas is one of my main gripes.. No haptic feedback /capacitive/ turn signals etc? wtf?

Turn signals use a stalk like any other car. Same for wipers, and much can be controlled with nice physical buttons on the steering wheel. Unless you have one of the new model S or X, in which case.. yikes

the turn signal stalk is not standard like any other car in the 3/Y. It is annoying and takes time to get used to. It is difficult to quickly switch when signaling left to signaling right (and vice versa) unlike traditional stalks. Can't speak for the other Tesla models.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Worked in that industry for 2 years making big chargers. The electronic latch that locks the plug into the vehicle is IMHO the single stupidest (even dangerous) thing. Anything unexpected goes wrong and you can't unplug the cable and you are stranded. I have no idea why any vehicle manufacturer would put this on their car.

> I have no idea why any vehicle manufacturer would put this on their car. I'm not an expert, but I'll assume that the opposite is as dangerous. I think that if you unplug a car that is charging car, by tilting the connector in the wrong way ypu might have a dangerous hazard both for the car and for the person unplugging it. DC chargers can be quite powerful (480V/100A), so I really doubt it's a good idea do mess wit…

The is a signal in the connector that is designed to disconnect first to disable charging before the high current conductors disconnect. It may be a leftover from the AC charge plug though, so not sure if it's sufficient for high power DC. Still a crappy standard.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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The safety crap with Teslas is one of my main gripes.. No haptic feedback /capacitive/ turn signals etc? wtf?

Turn signals, windshield wipers, media controls, cruise control, follow distance...all have physical controls. Lots of other weird stuff is touch screen only, like re-aiming the A/C vents or taking the headlights off of auto-mode, but the main stuff does.

The stalk wiper control is awkward and has two modes, trigger wipers once, and trigger wipers once with fluid spray. Both modes trigger a modal on the touchscreen that allows speed control for the wipers in the late version of the software. It did not always do this. It was incredibly awkward to control the wipers when the left modal wasn't implemented. I live in a rainy climate and was very unsatisfied with the controls before the improvements.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Worked in that industry for 2 years making big chargers. The electronic latch that locks the plug into the vehicle is IMHO the single stupidest (even dangerous) thing. Anything unexpected goes wrong and you can't unplug the cable and you are stranded. I have no idea why any vehicle manufacturer would put this on their car.

>Anything unexpected goes wrong and you can't unplug the cable and you are stranded This isn't necessarily true. The EV manufacturer should have an emergency release cable somewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1fSuYx2TS8

Like the emergency door unlock on the Corvette where the guy and his dog died in the heat because he didn't know about it?

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Most commonly the wipers, unless you 1) live in a place with just the right type of rain (PNW is not this place), or 2) you're okay just using the button on the stalk to manually trigger the wipers. Then there's music. God help you if you want to use Apple Music while driving. Just don't, you'll get someone killed. Pull over first and then you can spend the time necessary to navigate the UI. No, don't say 'use voice…

On a positive note, the UX continues to improve, especially with the latest update. I've only used Apple Music briefly since it just came out, but it seems similar to Spotify. I love that the music controls are now in a dedicated mini-panel on the bottom left of the screen within immediate reach. This is far better than having to reach over to the center of the screen to skip forwards/backward (e.g. during a podcast)…

I abhor that the new music modal interferes with other more vital modals on the left side of the screen. It should at the very least be configurable. Terrible and dangerous when they conflict.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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My experience is the opposite for what it is worth. I used to own an ID.4 (which was a great car in my opinion, but I recently moved from Dallas to Detroit and, ironically, was able to go car-free in Detroit). I made a round trip from Dallas to Denver without any Electrify America charger issues in 2021 (no waiting times either). I also made a round trip from Dallas to Detroit in September 2022 and I only encountered…

Zero? I'm about as pro-EV as it gets and solar/wind. Charging away from major interstates in the Midwest is very very very iffy if you aren't in a Tesla, and if you ARE in a Tesla it can get iffy if your destination doesn't have a home charger. For US people, a 500 mile car really is where the sweet spot of convenience is becausee: 1) you're not going to charge it all the way up (unless you have LFP chemistry), so kn…

I've done several 2000 mile road trips in a 320 mile range EV. That's a 225 mile range 10%-80%. IOW just over 3 hours. I know I can drive longer than 3 hours without stopping for food, coffee, a bathroom or sleep, but I don't wan't to.

On a short road trip you can drive for 5 hours without stopping because you recover at your destination, but on a long one it's so much nicer to stop regularly.

Adding the complexity of a range extender for trips in the 3 - 5 hour range just seems silly.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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I'd imagine overvoltage/overcurrent protection should be on car side ? It would be interesting root cause analysis to see what caused that.

Yes, surely a relay could have prevented this. I did a little googling, and since fast chargers can deliver up to 350kW, it does appear that a breaker rated for that power could be pretty expensive and large (e.g. full panel sized, $1,000). But that’s just a wild guess. Still cheaper than a couple years of insurance payments.

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