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Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by CoolGuySteve »

capableweb wrote: post #71
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I find so many bugs in reddit that it's surprising to me that a more streamlined replacement hasn't arisen. But I get shouted down if I say my experience with Elon's buggy Twitter 2.0 is about on par with how my reddit experience has been for years and yet reddit is still massively popular. Shrug. I guess it's hard to believe that sometimes market conditions can overcome bad engineering and then you add all the…

> But I get shouted down if I say my experience with Elon's buggy Twitter 2.0 What visible changes have been done since Elon took over Twitter + are buggy changes? I hardly notice anything different to be honest. There is a view counter and more people have the blue checkmark, otherwise things mostly seems to be the same. The ads panel (for publishing ads) is as broken as it has always been, so seems it has neither i…

Well here's what the people who said reddit is great and Twitter sucks yelled at me:

- They went down in Australia for a day.

- The "For You" tab keeps selecting itself.

- The Twitter feed keeps injecting randos that aren't followed.

- Nothing is there when you click on a notification sometimes. There are phantom likes and retweets.

- For a while people were unable to change their display name or 2FA would break.

- The view counter doesn't match the analytics view counter.

- Latencies are high

Apparently nobody can agree if a website is bad. Depending on whatever you're arguing, one is great and the other is terrible.

As for reddit, I've been getting phantom notifications, incorrect comment counts on posts, and a 10-15 minute block of "Reddit is down" pages on a monthly basis for years. So as far as I'm concerned, they're both pretty bad.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by dang »

amelius wrote: post #52
kzrdude wrote: post #47

Thank you HN for showing (essentially) the same list of stories on the front page for everyone. A shared display of common topics is a good foundation for a good forum.

How do you know this is true?

We don't know that it's true, but what kzrdude described is definitely part of the mental model (or, if you like, the DNA) of the site.

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=silo%20by%3Adang&dateRange=all...

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by dang »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #118
nonrandomstring wrote: post #49

HN looks just perfect using w3m text browser, no js, no css. The clean HTML makes it feel like something running from a local server. Plus there's no "cloudflare" type nonsense blocking my Tor overlay. Excellent straightforward web.

Clean HTML? It's nested spaghetti tables, which makes it super hard to write user styles for.

> hard to write user styles for

Yes and that's probably the one thing that would get us to rework the HTML. That or if we could significantly reduce its size.

Otherwise I see that HTML table goop as an advantage—the consequence of a clever design by pg years ago, which pays off every time I get to work on the code - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....

I was going to add "and also a curmudgeonly throne to sit on" but maybe I'd better not.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by SpeedilyDamage »

smbullet wrote: post #140
SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a straightforward example of capitalism because it doesn't earn enough through its service to support itself, and must be propped up by an otherwise external entity. The concept of "private ownership" is not definitionally identical to the concept of "capitalism", I hope you realize...

Private ownership and the protection of those property rights are exactly what capitalism is. As long as there is no coercive entity dictating what YC can and cannot do with it's capital then HN absolutely is a product of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't mean "earn[ing] enough through its service to support itself". Why do you think that people are not free to finance sites that promote other branches of their business…

People are free to finance whatever they want, I don't care, it's just not a "straightforward" example of capitalism when they do.

Spend money to make a thing -> sell that thing for more than it cost to make it. That's not happening here.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by dang »

powera wrote: post #17

Well, actually, it's not "ad-free". There are fairly regular job ads for YCombinator companies on the home page.

Ok, I've squeezed an 'almost' in the title above. I suppose that's not strictly accurate either but I don't want to spoil the OP's sentiment too much.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by dang »

SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #134
smbullet wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this not a straightforward example of capitalism? This site is privately owned, therefore it is free to flow in the capital market.

It's not a straightforward example of capitalism because it doesn't earn enough through its service to support itself, and must be propped up by an otherwise external entity. The concept of "private ownership" is not definitionally identical to the concept of "capitalism", I hope you realize...

That's an interesting question. It's true that HN doesn't earn revenue and that it could not stand on its own. But it's also true that YC is more valuable with HN than without it. I think you have to mark that in capitalism's column, even if it's a weird edge case.

Maybe more companies should be more open to more weird edge cases and maybe that would make them richer and therefore more capitalist? I don't know.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by smbullet »

SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #144
smbullet wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private ownership and the protection of those property rights are exactly what capitalism is. As long as there is no coercive entity dictating what YC can and cannot do with it's capital then HN absolutely is a product of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't mean "earn[ing] enough through its service to support itself". Why do you think that people are not free to finance sites that promote other branches of their business…

People are free to finance whatever they want, I don't care, it's just not a "straightforward" example of capitalism when they do. Spend money to make a thing -> sell that thing for more than it cost to make it. That's not happening here.

That's an interesting misconception of what capitalism is. I had not seen that one before. Thank you for sharing.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by dang »

smbullet wrote: post #148
SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are free to finance whatever they want, I don't care, it's just not a "straightforward" example of capitalism when they do. Spend money to make a thing -> sell that thing for more than it cost to make it. That's not happening here.

That's an interesting misconception of what capitalism is. I had not seen that one before. Thank you for sharing.

Please don't be snarky and please make your substantive points without swipes. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for being fast, almost ad-free and text-only

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Post by kayge »

Terretta wrote: post #135

> My only ask is to revisit CSS a bit and make it mobile friendly. I.e slightly larger fonts and hit areas for expand/collapse. It’s too easy to hit the wrong button on a phone. There is a weird thing with the vote arrows on iPad in particular, if you tap the upvote arrow, the downvote arrow disappears first, then later the upvote arrow disappears. Always second guessing which arrow I've hit. Can only tell by looking…

If any newer folks are wondering “… what downvote arrow?” it only appears once your Karma is above a certain level (501+, I think?)
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